Beyond Alpha Centauri: Discussion Thread

[Sprayber]

Lets start using one thread for the discussion. This way we can be sure and get everything that is said.

Thanks..

[Frankychan]

here i am!

ok sorry folks if this is a little late.

If no one minds, I would like to declare myself as the Hive. I've been reading the posts relating to this thread and I am fascinated that people have expanded on the AC universe.

So, once again, I would like to declare myself as the Hive.

..........................if that's alright with everyone else?

[Kassiopeia]

LordLMP: Read your post. I'll have the modifications done. Would you mind scouring up a pic and a brief description of Battlecruiser?
Oh, and the Dreadnought of Coalition is a whole different thing altogether. Slightly older tech then the BC, but somewhat bigger and sturdier.
I'll get some ship and class names going in boring moments. Agamemnon and Prometheus come to mind when writing this.

This is to HistoryGuy:

I have come up with an idea to use for a Morgan - InEn confrontation.
I have decided that all synthetic treatments spesifically entitled to age-prolonging are banned in Terran Alliance, as is cloning and other genetical treatments that are not designed to cure diseases, but to "enhance" human beings.
That means, no Longevity Vaccine.
However, InEn plans to covertly buy LV from Morgan and then sell it to the highest bidder. Typical crooked business, you see. But, in the midst of the transaction, theres some messup with the ships, shots are fired or likewise. The point is, Morgan Interstellar and Interplanetary Enterprises are driven into a war. However, InEn can't run to the Coalition for help, since they were violating Earth legislation! This way, the war stays strictly between InEn and Morgan. Could have it taking place hidden, so that the public does not find out. That would mean a collapse in the market.
InEn attacking Morgan assets and convoys, and Morgan doing the same to InEn. Like competing mafia families, but on a larger scale.
So what do you think?

PS. Welcome FrankyChan!

[[LordLMP]]

Another note, rather we don't dwell to much into aliens until we start up the game, the human histories is worked out, aswell as the territories and worlds in the human space....which is around 500 lightyears radius.


there is the Proginators (maybe a problem for humans once they discover of Chiron/Manifold Six which the Usurper/Caretaker Scouts failed to report centuries before).

The Fraal, which are quiet advance and old, aswell as nomadic since their homeworld died after their sun went nova 10 000 years or so before.... Their race is spread out across the galaxy, yet stay in contact with they advance ultra fast FTL communication (something like Hyperspace Communications in MOO2? Proginators use Subspace Communication and the Humans something less). So the Fraal knows what goes on throughout the galaxy and around long to see the fall of the Proginator Empire into anarchy and self-destruction, rise and fall of other powerful empires, knowledge of other ancient races that are still in the galaxy or left it or transcended or died or whatever. So they are quite wise and reluctant to in giving technologies to races they think are not ready. they also like observing young before-space civilizations like they did with humanity in its early days. Their motherships is rarely seen, but sometime do see Fraal circular and triangle scout ships (which is around Corvette to Frigate size in human standards). will do the details for them later, after we set up some structure.

The Gorn...not sure how old they are and how advance...but not more advance then the Fraal(especially) or the Proginators. But probably older then humanity.

the Tarn? they could be slightly old, but got into space travel quite late?

the Bree is an aggressive race, which is slightly older then humanity (by a couple thousand years?) and their technology levels higher then humanity, but less or equal to the Proginators.

That could be some of the only alien species found near or in human space of about 500 lightyears radius of Sol? agree? please? also prefer we stick mainly with human factions, etc for now....


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As for Ancient alien ruins and etc.... Humans combine may of discovered of ruins of different past ancient races.....

Ancient Proginators: colonies or whatever during their Proginator Empire days, controling 1/5 of the galaxy before self-destructing (probably something to do with the Manifolds?) in a sence 5-10 thousand years ago. so they were responsible for the terraforming of worlds, aswell as their destruction... only known Manifold world is Chiron, which humans still don't know what was the "experiment"...something to do with Planetmind and its flowering every thousand years or so...the last flowering only seem to cause the dissapearance of 1/100 of the Chiron population in the early-mid 2500s...but by then, many factions move off Chiron or most of their pop gone off to colonize some worlds.

Celandra: not much is known of the ancient Celandra Empire, which spanded across 1/3 of the galaxy, yet didn't properly control all of it.... their FTL travel is done via subspace corridors or hyperspace or some ancient reference to the "the dreaming". The world of Celandra 50 000 years ago mysteriously dissapeared...some indications that it dissapeared into "the dreaming". After a period of 10 thousand years after that, the empire collapse into many factions/warlord states/etc and other celandra controlled worlds... many of their distant colonies died out due to lack of supplies, or destroyed due to novas or destroyed from other past rival races.... In human space, only some worlds could of been terraformed by the celandric people and in fewer worlds in human space (not just in habitable ones) have ruins of celandric colonies...

The Hedoth: there is some worlds that use to belong to the Hedoth, which they simply abandoned and dissapeared to where ever 20 000 years ago. According to the Fraal, the Hedoth were responsible for the destruction of many species in this area of the galaxy, atleast the ones that refuse to join the Hedoth forces and empire....also responsible for the destruction of various celandric worlds/colonies and ancient proginator worlds/colonies. The Hedoth didn't seem blood thirsty and etc, as they were much into honor and discipline, aswell as militaristic (the spartans would like them ) The Fraal didn't know why they simply left and abandon their worlds, but they say that the Hedoth is still around at various places in the galaxy, aswell as outside of it... they still occasionally "forcely recruit" some races into their forces and then that species practicaly dissapear, nearly abandoning their worlds. Fraal theorize that may be fighting wars in another galaxy or against some other ancient races in deep space or whatever. The Fraal promises to warn Humanity if they ever appear in or near Human Space, but they will not disclose the location of the hedoth system....where the hedoth homeworld is located.

Other ancient races, taking from other sci-fis and games...but will not play a big role in the game...but leave options to discover strange worlds.

-Precursors (Star Control)
responsible for the creation of rainbow worlds , mainly found in the galactic core and along the galactic arms...yet not very many and not exactly habitable... which somehow stablelizes the galaxy. very few ruins or artifacts found related to them, but the Fraal say that they seem to dissapear every few hundred thousand years by de-evolving themselves and return when they evolve again at various worlds hundred thousand years after de-evolving....with a lot of the ancient memories intact. quite an feat of genetic engineering. Why they do that? Fraal say they were bored and rather repeat their evolution then transcend or move into deep space along with the other ancients. Fraal won't disclose how they look like intheir de-evolve form and where they are located...especially the locations to various rainbow worlds and their technology/equipment/etc caches. (didn't want to do another description! have to go home) they last dissapeared over 100 000 years ago

- Preservers (Star trek)

-maybe the Shadows/Vorlons...but have move into deep space

-Xel'Naga (Starcraft)
good parts of their remnants eliminated by one their creations, the zerg (zerg later got defeated and nearly eliminated by the Protoss, without any help of any terrans) and rest move deep space instead of staying in the galaxy to do evolution experiments and trying to create the perfect race.
responsible for the creation of many races.

-Macky
desc will be done later....

-that ancient race that use to control Dark Planet...forgot the name given to them in Battlezone 2...

-any other ideas?

not to many and just quickly placing some ancient ideas

-LMP

[History Guy]

Kassiopeia, Well ok, Mr. Luciano, I'm going to have to finish the pre-story Morganite timeline of major events that take place before 2700. My boys shall be glad to "do business" with InEn. Anytime. Heh heh heh.

[Sprayber]

Re: here i am!

Originally posted by frankychan
ok sorry folks if this is a little late.

If no one minds, I would like to declare myself as the Hive. I've been reading the posts relating to this thread and I am fascinated that people have expanded on the AC universe.

So, once again, I would like to declare myself as the Hive.

..........................if that's alright with everyone else?

Welcome to Beyond Alpha Centauri.


We look forward to reading you ideas for the Hive.

What you need to do now is go to the Sign in thread (the shorter one ) and come up with a timeline of events for the Hive since leaving Chiron. Where they ended up by picking a star. If you need help just get with me and Ill help you pick a star. But you could use this link.

http://einstein.stcloudstate.edu/Dome/

Keep in mind that the hive is around 80-100ly . If you want you can say that the Hive planet is around a smaller star that isn't catologued yet. But keep it around 100ly away. Right now we are still getting the locations worked on on some kind of a map..Hope you have fun.

You may have trouble with the link but it will get fixed on their end.

[[LordLMP]]

Quick question to Alynzia... was Deirdre forced to be hooked up to a biological computer? (How does one create a bio computer anyway? ) Deirdre passed away, her people miss her, and puts her body into the bio computer aswell as imprinting her memories.... Deirdre, reawaking in a way, would not be please in this condition She is a environmentalist, spiritualy pagan somewhat, and a empath.

not criticizing, just wondering

-LMP

[Alynzia]

Hello Beyond Alpha Centauri people!

I have decided not to play any more.

Alynzia.

[History Guy]

Lady Deirdre Skye!! What a Druid!! BTW, isn't it interesting that she is from Skye, an actual island of the coast of Scotland? It's where Bonnie Prince Charlie hid after Culloden before fleeing to France. Isn't that neat? Huh?

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Alynzia
Hello Beyond Alpha Centauri people!

I have decided not to play any more.

Alynzia.

...?!?!?

Guardian

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Alynzia
Hello Beyond Alpha Centauri people!

I have decided not to play any more.

Alynzia.

Ok. Anything in particular that changed your mind?

[Kassiopeia]

*shrugs*
People come, people go.

Ahem.

History of Sol System
Revision 3

2060 - U.N.S Unity is launched by United Nations to Alpha Centauri.
2063 - Continuous fighting over resources trigger a nuclear exchange, World War 3. However, due to earlier decrease in nuclear arsenal, destruction is somewhat limited.
2064 - World War 3 continues as a conventional war. Population and infrastructure throughout the world suffer greatly.
2066 - World War 3 ends.
2072 - United Nations rebuilds headquarters in Switzerland, and founds an organization called Restoration League to allocate rebuilding of the post-war planet. The UN goal by founding a whole different organization is to regain respect and support of nations that think that UN turned their back on them in WW3.
2088 - Some anonymous nations launch colonization efforts to some Sol locations, especially Mars and Moon.
2094 - First colony on Moon established.
2102 - First colony on Mars established.
2114 - Two aerospace companies merge, founding the Interplanetary Enterprises Incorporated's ancestral company.
2180 - As the colony in Moon, begins to expand, a call for independence awakens.
2183 - Radical groups in Moon unite and overthrow local goverments of Earth nations. Different origined people combine forces. Earth nations start producing first ships dedicated solely to military.
2182 - Interplanetary Enterprises establishes first mines in the Asteroid Belt.
2184 - International Protection Fleet of Earth arrives in Moon. Martians see their chance and have a revolution of their own.
2185 - Earth quells Lunar rebellion. Protection Fleet has repairs at Earth, then sets off to Mars.
2186 - Protection Fleet arrives to Mars, only to find that Mars has produced a fleet of it's own. A battle is engaged, concluding in the defeat of Earth forces. Some Earth ships defect and land on Mars, some return to Earth. Mars declares independende, but has growing troubles as creating a centralized goverment seems impossible.
2201 - "Republic of Mars" is formed, though on fragile ground.
2213 - InEn and other companies' and nations' workers and ships decide to take over the InEn holdings in Asteroid Belt. The name "Belters" is introduced.
2215 - InEn attempts to retake Belt in military action. Earth nations do not come to help, as the earlier war hampered their capabilities and desire to send fleets to wage war somewhat. InEn fails, and Belters declare themselves independent.
2238 - Republic of Mars falls. Mars Combine founded.
2257 - First Self-Sufficient Space Habitat (SSSH) built and launched to Earth orbit. It is called Babylon 5... No, I mean, Alpha One.
2262 - First contact with the Shadows - No, I mean Scions. (OOC: Hey, 2257 - 2262 are IIRC the years B5 is set on!) Contact is rather disastrous - Earth ships open fire and destroy the Scion ship en route to investigate Earth.
2263 - "Reliable information" reports that a strange alien race is planning on invading the entire system, and that the destroyed ship was just a scouting patrol. This is of course an invention of Earth nations to justify whacking the ship, which did not engage in hostile intentions.
2264 - In a hurried conference, Earth countries decide to pool their resources to fight alien threat. Thus, Earth Coalition is forged.
2265 (May) - A Scion raid obliterates an entire research station on the Jupiter moon Callisto. Soon Ganymede is attacked, and the image of an assault proceeding inwards the system is amplified. Scions are calculated to reach Earth in a few months. All resources are aimed to produce ships. Combine and Coalition decide to combine fleets.
2265 (June) - A Coalition-Combine counter-attack fleet engages Scions near Asteroid Belt, with some support from Belters. The battle is, as expected, lost, but Scion progress is slowed down to allow Earth and Mars produce even more ships. A record is made as some Cruiser class ships are completed from scratch in three months.
2265 (July) - Earth scouts set to recon Scion strength discover Dark Planet. Coalition and Combine quickly decide to launch most ships to attack Dark Planet. Scions forces make a 180 degree turn and start to chase Human ships to Dark Planet.
2265 (September) - Joint fleet starts to approach Dark Planet, in an attempt to A-Bomb it's surface to smithereens. As the ships begin setting orbit, a huge unknown mothership appears and stops any attempts to bombard Dark Planet. Both Scion and Human fleets are contacted, and a cease fire is implemented.
2266 - A permanent peace between Humans and Scions is signed, with Fraal as mediators. Humans attain a slight dislike for the Fraal, as they believe they would of won the war if they would of not intervened.
2340 - Interplanetary Enterprises decides that the socialistic goverment of Mars has oppressed their company by regulating Mars markets enough. It starts funneling funds and weapons to Mars revolutionists.
2343 - Revolutionists overthrow Mars goverment. Civil war erupts, with Coalition supporting InEn and the lately founded Venus independents supporting Combine.
2344 - Loyalists prevail, and Mars Combine is reinstated.
2372 - An astrophysics institute on Earth publishizes it's theory of possible Faster-Then-Light travel. The theory is not accepted well.
2419 - Coalition research starts to get interested on the FTL drive, and starts to conduct first experimentations.
2423 - Combine starts also to research FTL, but with somewhat poorer results then Coalition.
2432 - First experimentational FTL ship implodes and crashes into the Atlantic. FTL project is moth-balled indefinitely.
2441 - FTL project is continued, but with minimal funds.
2449 - Very second Terran-built FTL ship engages drive system on Earth orbit. The experiment is a success, and the ship disengages drive system at Mars. Rarity of fuel minerals and short endurance of engine (The Terran FTL drive malfunctioned when disengaged and turned unusable.) remain a problem.
2454 - Thorough negotiations with Fraal succeed, and they produce the Terrans with technology able to prolong engine life. Fuel remains a problem.
2484 - FTL fuel minerals discovered in Asteroid Belt. Belters gain a whopping momentum in interplanetary politics.
2496 - Enough Fuel is collected to fuel a ship capable of traveling out of Sol.
2500 - Political problems halt the Out-Sol project (Which is targeted to Alpha Centauri). A very xenophobic goverment takes place on Earth, and Coalition-Combine co-operation is starting to collapse.
2515 - A Gaian scout ship arrives in Sol, in an effort to research Earth's situation. Terrans hear of Chironian success. The xenophobes lose in elections due to this, and the FTL project continues.
2517 - CFS Centaurus jumps to Alpha Centauri. Contact with Peacekeepers, Free Drones and others there is established permanently. Cyborgs issue them the FTL Communicator device.
2530 - FTL COMM waves bring to Sol news of Chironians spreading swift in the Galaxy. Coalition starts to hurry planned colonization projects to other systems to avoid being stranded in a single system.
2547 - Coalition finds a suitable system, Capella, and colonizes it.
2558 - Growingly jealous of Chironian success, the Terrans state that they are of Earth origin, and that all their assets are to be surrendered to the Earth goverment. The statement is widely recognized, but obviously not followed. Some start to make journeys to visit the legendary homeworld of Man.
2563 - A small Bree fleet enters Capella and tries to seize it. Coalition repels attack, and the Bree withdraw. A short term pact with the Gorn and some Human factions is signed, and the Bree stay out of Capella. It is believed that they found out about the fact that the planet there would be engulfed by Capella B in some while, and thought that the system was not worth their while.
2554 - Bree attack intimidates Terran enough for them to found Terran Alliance. Alliance is designed to have some ships of it's own, aswell as being a co-operation of economical and research efforts.
2589 - Scions give Terran scientists some strange devices from Dark Planet. It is clear that the planet is a remnant of an ancient race. Fraal deny all information about it.
2632 - An unknown ship is detected, this time in Scion space. It remains unidentified, and appears to monitor Dark Planet from a distance. When a Scion scout tries to encounter it, the ship engages an unforeseen drive system and disappears in the blink of an eye.
2667 - A terraforming project on Io fails catastrophically. The Io Disaster costs the lives of several thousands of people from all Alliance factions, and the word "terraforming" has a bad ring for the next couple of decades.
2700 - Story begins.

[[LordLMP]]

Alynzia hope ins't because of me and was only trying to do a friendly discussion i was only wondering

-LMP

[Alynzia]

2000s

2000s

2060s
2060 - (Terran) U.N.S Unity is launched by United Nations to Alpha Centauri.
2063 - (Terran) Continuous fighting over resources trigger a nuclear exchange, World War 3. However, due to earlier decrease in nuclear arsenal, destruction is somewhat limited.
2064 - (Terran) World War 3 continues as a conventional war. Population and infrastructure throughout the world suffer greatly.
2066 - (Terran) World War 3 ends.

2070s
2072 - (Terran) United Nations rebuilds headquarters in Switzerland, and founds an organization called Restoration League to allocate rebuilding of the post-war planet. The UN goal by founding a whole different organization is to regain respect and support of nations that think that UN turned their back on them in WW3.

2080s
2088 - (Terran) Some anonymous nations launch colonization efforts to some Sol locations, especially Mars and Moon.

2090s
2094 - (Terran) First colony on Moon established.

[Alynzia]

2100s

2100s

2100s
2102 - (Terran) First colony on Mars established.

2110s
2114 - (Terran) Two aerospace companies merge, founding the Interplanetary Enterprises Incorporated's ancestral company.

2180s
2180 - (Terran) As the colony in Moon, begins to expand, a call for independence awakens.
2183 - (Terran) Radical groups in Moon unite and overthrow local goverments of Earth nations. Different origined people combine forces. Earth nations start producing first ships dedicated solely to military.
2182 - (Terran) Interplanetary Enterprises establishes first mines in the Asteroid Belt.
2184 - (Terran) International Protection Fleet of Earth arrives in Moon. Martians see their chance and have a revolution of their own.
2185 - (Terran) Earth quells Lunar rebellion. Protection Fleet has repairs at Earth, then sets off to Mars.
2186 - (Terran) Protection Fleet arrives to Mars, only to find that Mars has produced a fleet of it's own. A battle is engaged, concluding in the defeat of Earth forces. Some Earth ships defect and land on Mars, some return to Earth. Mars declares independende, but has growing troubles as creating a centralized goverment seems impossible.