Thinking Of A New Story Thread

[Sprayber]

Re: As an add on...

Originally posted by Alynzia
Here is a list of all the stars within 10 light years of our sun...

Alpha Centauri - 4.4 l.y.
Proxima Centauri - 4.3 l.y.
Barnard's Star - 5.9 l.y.
Wolf 359 - 7.7 l.y.
Lalande 21185 - 8.2 l.y.
Sirius - 8.6 l.y.
Luyten 726-8 - 8.9 l.y.
Ross 154 - 9.45 l.y.

Of course it might be good to know the distances between each of them relative to each other... but I couldn't find them.

Alynzia

p.s. Can I be the future star-hippy Gaians?

Gaians it is then.


And if anyone wants to look at a cool site here is another site that lists stars.

http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/stars/gienah.html

[Mr. President]

Thanks for the links, Mr. Sprayber. Most useful indeed.

I love astronomy and space travel, so it's nice to have an activity where I can finally put my various obsessions to some use. I used to dream of writing a galactic empire novel like Asimov's.

I assume that all the factions have mastered all the research projects from Alpha Centauri, like N-Space Compression, Singularity Mechanics, and Temporal Mechanics? Because if they have, we can figure out what general sort of form the FTL drive should have.

Since this is after all of the Alpha Centauri research, I propose that FTL be exactly what it sounds like - a way to travel extremely fast without being destroyed in the process. Temporal Mechanics could offer a way around the problem of time moving backwards at speeds greater than light. The various matter manipulation technology would protect effectively against stray particles and other effects at that speed. I'm not even sure Einstein's theories wouldn't be proved inaccurate by the year 2700 or whenever we start.

edit: I keep meaning to ask and keep forgetting: How do you post pictures in these messages?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mr. President
Thanks for the links, Mr. Sprayber. Most useful indeed.

I love astronomy and space travel, so it's nice to have an activity where I can finally put my various obsessions to some use. I used to dream of writing a galactic empire novel like Asimov's.

I assume that all the factions have mastered all the research projects from Alpha Centauri, like N-Space Compression, Singularity Mechanics, and Temporal Mechanics? Because if they have, we can figure out what general sort of form the FTL drive should have.

Since this is after all of the Alpha Centauri research, I propose that FTL be exactly what it sounds like - a way to travel extremely fast without being destroyed in the process. Temporal Mechanics could offer a way around the problem of time moving backwards at speeds greater than light. The various matter manipulation technology would protect effectively against stray particles and other effects at that speed. I'm not even sure Einstein's theories wouldn't be proved inaccurate by the year 2700 or whenever we start.

edit: I keep meaning to ask and keep forgetting: How do you post pictures in these messages?

Yeah I would think the AC tech tree is researched out by now except transcendance, Which would make our little game usless.


Mr. President: When you go to post a message, look below the text box, then below the little blue smilies, then below the the options boxes, you will then find Attach file. I usually move the image onto my desktop, which makes it easier to find. Just click browse and it will show all the files on your desktop, just click the desired file and press your submit reply button. You can only have one image per post and the Maximum size is 500000 bytes. Most of the time you have to resize or crop. That and use jpg and gif files.

[Argonaut]

Hey, Sprayber works for me. Do you mean in the sense that the Spartan's supporting the Datatech Homeworld, in that they support the Data Angels' demand for a Homeworld?

As for people relating to the Angels, I'd prefer to keep that to a minimum until recently. Basically, people had hoped they were exterminated and now they're rearing their heads again. But can certainly be cooperation with the Pirates to a degree due to their similar life styles currently. And of course, there are likely to be some Angel's within the Pirate gangs themselves....

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Argonaut
Hey, Sprayber works for me. Do you mean in the sense that the Spartan's supporting the Datatech Homeworld, in that they support the Data Angels' demand for a Homeworld?

As for people relating to the Angels, I'd prefer to keep that to a minimum until recently. Basically, people had hoped they were exterminated and now they're rearing their heads again. But can certainly be cooperation with the Pirates to a degree due to their similar life styles currently. And of course, there are likely to be some Angel's within the Pirate gangs themselves....

I mean that since the Data techs have done certain things for the Spartan Federation in the past, they would help secure a homeworld for them. The thing you would have to decide is. Would you want to be a nice guy and start on planet you would have to build up from scrach or would you want to take a developed planet using the might of the Spartan Federation. Keep in mind the Spartans would expect the Data techs to remain loyal. But either way the Spartans would prevent any outside power from interfering.

Maybe one of the many independent worlds that exist out there?

[Sprayber]

Here is a peek at the Spartan System

Yes Syrma is a real star and all of its stats are real. The planets of course came out of Spartan History and my mind.

[Sprayber]

I had to move Hermione(last planet) in some to get the max size allowed.

Anyway here it is...

[[LordLMP]]

I rather that the Factions haven't discovered all of the SMAX techs....else they will definatly have an edge in space, to advance and etc...especially for the Terran Alliance........ why not say there was a huge tech stagnation during the time University invented its warp type FTL drive? Warp makes sence as it is simply making space closer....stretching space and use it to sling shot itself into high velocities....and some warp bubble/field is created that prevents the ship to tear apart. Don't need high SMAX techs to achieve that and quite realistic for something like that to be invented here in realife in the next 50 to 100 years....if they have "money" to spend on... (damn capitalism)

-LMP

Originally posted by Mr. President
Thanks for the links, Mr. Sprayber. Most useful indeed.

I love astronomy and space travel, so it's nice to have an activity where I can finally put my various obsessions to some use. I used to dream of writing a galactic empire novel like Asimov's.

I assume that all the factions have mastered all the research projects from Alpha Centauri, like N-Space Compression, Singularity Mechanics, and Temporal Mechanics? Because if they have, we can figure out what general sort of form the FTL drive should have.

Since this is after all of the Alpha Centauri research, I propose that FTL be exactly what it sounds like - a way to travel extremely fast without being destroyed in the process. Temporal Mechanics could offer a way around the problem of time moving backwards at speeds greater than light. The various matter manipulation technology would protect effectively against stray particles and other effects at that speed. I'm not even sure Einstein's theories wouldn't be proved inaccurate by the year 2700 or whenever we start.

edit: I keep meaning to ask and keep forgetting: How do you post pictures in these messages?

[Mr. President]

I don't think it's such a hot idea to use Warp Drive. If we do, this will quickly turn into Star Trek. When I asked for all factions to have access to SMAX technology, that included the Terran Alliance. Maybe they can pick it up from the Fraal or something. Besides, warp drive would require enormous amounts of energy that you could probably only get from a singularity chamber anyway. In my mind it is much more feasible to move extremely fast than to tinker with the structure of the universe. (String Resonance apparently does this very thing, but it's always easier to destroy than to be gentle.)

Anyway, I attempted to put up the proposed map of Chiron , but it didn't work. If anyone wants it, put your e-mail addresses where I can see them (you aren't allowed to attach files if you use Apolyton's e-mail button) and I'll send it to you.

[Sprayber]

Id like to take a look at the map Mr. President. chrisspr@hotmail.com


Just an idea, but exactly what means did the progentors use to achieve FTL speeds. Maybe the university did more reverse enginering than inventing???


FTL travel for humans should be difficult. Going from Sparta to Earth should be a big deal and not a weekend trip out in the country. This is not the sleek world of Star Trek. I see this more of a Starship Trooper type enviroment. I know, some say bad writiing,but I liked its style. It was more "real" then star trek. Maybe Aliens 2 or Space above and beyond are better examples.

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by Mr. President
I don't think it's such a hot idea to use Warp Drive. If we do, this will quickly turn into Star Trek. When I asked for all factions to have access to SMAX technology, that included the Terran Alliance. Maybe they can pick it up from the Fraal or something. Besides, warp drive would require enormous amounts of energy that you could probably only get from a singularity chamber anyway. In my mind it is much more feasible to move extremely fast than to tinker with the structure of the universe. (String Resonance apparently does this very thing, but it's always easier to destroy than to be gentle.)

Anyway, I attempted to put up the proposed map of Chiron , but it didn't work. If anyone wants it, put your e-mail addresses where I can see them (you aren't allowed to attach files if you use Apolyton's e-mail button) and I'll send it to you.

First of all, don't have to use the word Warp....and don't have to be startrek like..... Starwars "Hyperdrives" is similar to warp drives...just faster in the starwars universe And says who you need considerable amount of energy? in the startrek universe, the first human warp drive was powered by Fission/Fusion.

Just saying Warp type FTL drives is more realistic to achieve in real life then Wormholes, "Hyperspace", 2.51 days jumps in Alternity, instant jumps in Battletech and etc...

And Warp engine does move you very fast without tinkering the Universe like wormholes, "hyperspace", and etc....... Simply uses Space as a slingshot in a sence. I say we don't go way to advance in the techs and as it would be pathetic and silly....... oh look, big bad super singulirity lasers!!! look at those super armors on those ships!! etc........

I already said Fraal doesn't advance tech, especially if it can easily be use for military applications. Scions won't give any tech either....which is mainly biometal and some advances in nanotechnology. Possible to travel space with Fusion reactors hook up to a FTL drive.....

Wonder why the large Proginator of the empire was able to so quickly reduce themselves practicly almost back into the stone age..... Advance super techs of amense power, pretty quickly blast themselves to smithreens, especially with big bad Singulirity Bombs.

in my opinion, have all the technologies in SMAC/X ruins the game...just going to make the game into a big power play between very advance factions then actual room for stories....
As anyone play Total Annihilation? With super techs, thats the kind of feeling i get.... two large empire duking it out for ages in a galaxy.....wrecking the galaxy at the same time.....

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Id like to take a look at the map Mr. President. chrisspr@hotmail.com


Just an idea, but exactly what means did the progentors use to achieve FTL speeds. Maybe the university did more reverse enginering than inventing???


FTL travel for humans should be difficult. Going from Sparta to Earth should be a big deal and not a weekend trip out in the country. This is not the sleek world of Star Trek. I see this more of a Starship Trooper type enviroment. I know, some say bad writiing,but I liked its style. It was more "real" then star trek. Maybe Aliens 2 or Space above and beyond are better examples.

I haven't read the Starship Trooper book, don't remember any details concerning FTL in Aliens 2 and haven't seen a episode of Space: Above and Beyond that explains their method of faster then light travel........ so explain in general terms.

Warp style still as a higher chance to achieve.....but won't be as easy like startrekl makes it......actually in the new Enterprise series, will show how hard warp travel is without proper long range sensors, proper warp field to prevent particles to nail the ship....especially if there ain't any shields....
As for the reverse effect....makes sence, but such effect to happen you need a Quantum Drive (Quantum reactor is splitting a light particle in SMAC/X)...that your actually using light particles to sling shot you to FTL velocities....or turning ship into quantum light effect........ As for Einsteins theories...i don't think it is complete and his theories only applies if your using quantum like engines....become light.....and that light takes 4.4 years to get to alpha centauri.... physicly, will still be the same age, but in reality, 4.4 years as elapse. or as for the revers effect....the stars of alpha centauri we see right now is how it look like 4.4 years ago...so if you quatum drive in light speed, into that image...then your effectively going back in time...so get to Alpha Centauri, same age and etc...just time elapse -4.4 years.

Warp drive simply uses space as a sling shot.....warp field grabs the space in front and pulls it towards the ship, and then that space is release at the back of the ship, sling shoting the ship.... with effective warp field, can sling shot the ship into FTL velocities. Won't exactly be experience any high Gs because space is brought to you, not some reaction engines pushing you to it. and using a warp bubble or whateverm particles don't get threw.... warp field/bubble as to make a smooth ride through space... like wings of an airplane cuts through air to keep the plane aloft.

As for what the Proginators used....don't know... but watchng the intro in SMAX, looks more like they Warped in like in startrek and instantly started firing at each other. as for slower then light engines, looks like the proginators uses from form of inertial type engine, like in the STL engines in the Honor Harrington books, instead of reaction like impulse engines in startrek.

-LMP

[Sprayber]

I am mad

Here I take all the trouble and time to make a star system and not one even comments. All you can talk about are warps and hypers and frills and fralls and frilly fralls..





BTW. I am making a new sign in thread. I ask of you Please just state what you want to play and give some of your timelines for your faction. Please discuss any problems you may have in the first discussion thread.

[Mr. President]

More insanity from the brain of Mr. President:

Breaking The Light Barrier - Idea 1 (The Quantum Method)

Quantum tunneling is commonplace among stray particles in the void. This method involves using advanced resonation techniques to amplify the disturbance into a "hole" large enough for a starship to pass through. The ship appears up to three light-years away in almost no time. Problems (for users): Not all quantum tunneling events are stable; it is very difficult to reliably position the exit point. It can be done with comm buoys broadcasting faster-than-light string-level resonations; but without these buoys it is extremely unsafe.

Breaking The Light Barrier - Idea 2 (The Brute Force Method)

Vizorium-5 and Kalciate are forced together under extremely high temperatures in the presence of an artificial singularity (the equipment for this reaction can only be carried on the largest classes of ship). The energy generated is channeled into string resonators that set up an enormous force at the level of the Planck length, propelling the ship in the opposite direction at nearly twice the speed of light. The ship is quite literally hurled away from the space it just occupied, by that space itself. The equations of temporal mechanics are the basis for the creation of a stasis field around the ship, which allows time on board to run in a "normal" fashion. (Particles such as tachyons which travel faster than light experience time in the opposite direction from the rest of the universe.) Problems (for users): The ship is unable to use conventional sensors while travelling faster than light; it is almost impossible to change direction once the FTL engines have been fired; requires almost an entire light-year as stopping distance. Emergency stops or direction changes may be effected by firing string disruptors; this usually damages the ship severely.

***

I like your solar system Mr. Sprayber. How did you make it?

[Sprayber]

I like number 2. Going by that, I assume that smaller class vessels would have to go along for the ride with the larger FTL capable ship? And insanity can be good at times..


Well the first one I just went through the entire list of stars until I came to one that was about the right distance from Earth and could reasonable support planets. I never knew that binary stars were so common. At least when it comes to the brigher stars in the sky. (I think we can make up stars that wouldn't appear as bright as some neigboring stars. ) The second one I just used a model of our solar system, moved some around, and used planet classifications from a star trek site as my guide. I had to edit the jpg cause you are restricted to 600X470 for the size.

http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/default.htm?http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/stars/gienah.html

http://www.ucip.org/miscellaneous/planets.html

http://www.jtwinc.com/Extrasolar/star.asp?StarID=30