[C4:AC] SMAC SECRET PROJECT status.. Mark here when you add to mod

[Gavin Berchler]

Bulk Matter Transmitter : XML Complete
Prereq Matter Transmission
Provides a Local Bulk Matter Gate in every city allowing for quick transmission of resources from space.
Increases every base's production by 50%.
as of v212

[Gavin Berchler]

Singularity Inductor XML COMPLETE
PREREQ: Controlled Singularity
Cost 600
Free Quantum Converter in every base
Outside chance of Quantum Explosion
As ov V0.209

[Gavin Berchler]

Voice of Planet XML PARTIAL
Prereq Threshold of transcendence
Begins ascent to transcendence
Cost 1600
as of v212

Needs: +1 Native life modifier

[Gavin Berchler]

Ascent to Transcendence XML COMPLETE
Prereq Threshold of transcendence
Prereq Voice of Planet
Wins Ascendence Victory

Cost 3000
as of v212

[Gavin Berchler]

Telepathic Matrix: INCOMPLETE:

NEEDS
# Your bases never riot.
# +2 Probe Team morale.

There is a difference between no unhappniness and no rioting. We need to review.. or if someone can elightne us about rioting in civ4!

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Gavin Berchler
Telepathic Matrix: INCOMPLETE:

NEEDS
# Your bases never riot.
# +2 Probe Team morale.

There is a difference between no unhappniness and no rioting. We need to review.. or if someone can elightne us about rioting in civ4!

Simply put (in Civ4 terms), this wonder puts a global theatre in every city/base of your empire/faction. Rioting doesn't happen in Civ4 except when changing governments (social engineering in SMAC terms).

[Gavin Berchler]

I think that would really unbalance it... having no unhappiness is not the same as no rioting. I am not sure how we can do this...

We can either institute rioting.... or move the telepathic complex to being something else.

The punishment sphere also control rioting.
Unfortantely I don't know enough aobut the sdk or the python code to know if this is practical.

Creative suggestions welcome.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Gavin: Dont reply to your self 30 times in what Should have been one post with a list (preferbaly in a spoiler), it makes it unessarily long and harder to read. Also moderators might get afteryou for all the post count padding.

[Gavin Berchler]

I don't care about the number of posts,

I only did it so that it was easy to manage without inadvertently deleting something else.

[vyeh]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Gavin: Dont reply to your self 30 times in what Should have been one post with a list (preferbaly in a spoiler), it makes it unessarily long and harder to read. Also moderators might get afteryou for all the post count padding.

I find it easier to read; I can look at the first line of each post.

Gavin (along with Rubin) is responsible for making the SMAC Creation forum active. I doubt the moderator (who was concerned a few months ago about the lack of activity) will get after Gavin.

But if that happens, that is the between Gavin and the moderator.

[Gavin Berchler]

thanks for the vote of confidence!

who knows they are probably deleting my account as we speak......

anyway from now on guys feedback only!

[xalien]

Xenoempathy Dome:
it's not stated in SMAC's datalinks, but it will fully heal any unit spending their turn in fungus at 20% / turn rate. This includes units inside transport ships. Kinda like medic I promotion.

Pholus Mutagen:
again, not stated in the datalinks. NL's usually get only attack bonuses against targets inside fungus, but PM also gives additional 50% (non-psi) defence bonus - for a total 100% - for all your land units inside fungus. Quite vicious, especially when combined with XD.

Planetary Datalinks:
it doesn't really grant all tech known by others per se. Only if the tech is transmited over the net by some other faction (as during tech trading/donating) you can get your hands on it. If there's no sharing you get nothing. I think it's similar to the Great Library in Civ 3.

[xalien]

Originally posted by Gavin Berchler
... having no unhappiness is not the same as no rioting.

It actually depends on a few things.

Drones in SMAC and unhappiness in Civ 4 have very similar effect - you lose few active workers so your base loses some productivity. Captured SMAC bases have more drones while captured Civ cities get "we yearn to join our motherland" unhappiness modifier. So, looking from this perspective TM should remove unhapinness or at least reduce it by a certain factor (like +1 happiness for every 2 citizens).

However this whole citizen thing is very different in SMAC and Civ4.
In SMAC "no (too many) drones = no riots" and most specialists effectively perform drone->worker->talent conversions. By the time you could build TM you'd be having hab domes in your core bases and pop-booming for a quite a while to have so many specialists that there would be no more room for drones and the only drone problems would occur in the warzone cities.
In Civ4 the most common problem in the warzone cities is rioting so now I could say that TM should supress the rioting.

It really depends a lot on what kind of citizen model is going to be used:
SMAC's, where unhappy citizens can cause riots and specialists to help to control them;
Or Civ4's where unhappiness and riots have nothing to do with each other and specialists have no influence on either.

[Gavin Berchler]

Originally posted by xalien


Planetary Datalinks:
it doesn't really grant all tech known by others per se. Only if the tech is transmited over the net by some other faction (as during tech trading/donating) you can get your hands on it. If there's no sharing you get nothing. I think it's similar to the Great Library in Civ 3.

In smac it only grants 3 tech known to all others... I still think the civ model is better

Regarding the drones/rioting issues. I am still not clear on how rioting occurs in civ4. (is it only when there is smoke? and does it shut down production completely?

xalien, why don't you start another post on it as this is a discusioin in its own right. I don't want this thread taken over by this matter

[Gavin Berchler]

Voice of Planet

Please provide some feedback guys!