Game mod creation: About link between techs of modern times and AC

[binTravkin]

I read a thread somewhere in this forum
(but cant remember where )
where some guys were discussing about the link between AC and modern Earth.

It interests me alot
(and i hope others too)
which techs we already have here on Earth and if there's any tech not found on AC
for example:
tech:GeoEcology
instead of
tech:CentauriEcology

So I open a thread where anyone can express their opinion about :

1) Which techs form AC are already discovered on our homeplanet

1a) Same about secret projs
(it came to my ears lately that "The Human Genome project" is being "constructed" in real life represented by numerous researches in DNA decipherating)

2)Which techs are Earth-specific and is there an equal on AC
(as above with "Eco" techs)

3) If a list of Earth techs is created for a game not called AlphaCenaturi, but maybe Sol or something about that,
(in real life this project will be just a set of modifed AC setting files as "alpha.txt" for example)
what techs must be in this list and how do they relate to each other - tech levels and prerequisites and what opportunities do they open - SecretProjs, BaseFacilities, SE choices etc.

4)What factions should there be on Earth
(I propose US and China as "must-be" ones)

5)And in the end - everything you've heard about new discoveries or research directions in science which somehow relates to SMAC
(for example - nanotechnologies are showing up,so Hovertank on earth seems not a level 8, but maybe 4 to 6 tech)


If enough information will be gathered,a game mod called "how-will-you-call-it?" will appear with the techs and facs from this thread included.
This is your opportunity to participate in creation of a new game!
For information about mods see http://www.geocities.com/alde_baron/
(aldebaran project)

Hoping for free flow of information

[Mart]

The Human Genome Project is kinda international research, coz it needs tremendous amount of work, as i have heard. Here is a link, and it actually is called: The Human Genome Project

http://www.genome.gov/10001772

The Earth Scenario might be actually very nice thing. It could be somehow included in the story, if some explanation would be given, why contact with Alpha Centauri was lost. Maybe a nuclear war? so that would be earth after the nuclear conflict - but people would not rise from stone age again, just they would have to deal with damaged earth - limited population (war killed most of them). Just ideas for a scenario.

USA and China? Maybe the idea of something close to factions might be better, like societies would form based on cultural models. Thus we might have wester culture and asian culture - something like that.Those cultures might have to develop almost from scratch.

Replacements:

Fungus - radioactive remnant - to be cleaned
Mindworms - mutant gorrillas, horses, cats, dogs, whatever you name it .......... just attacking people for food ......
Monoliths - remnant undamaged buildings after nuclear blasts
Alien Artifacts - high tech remnants - (like electronic two-processor, with enrgizer lithium bateries for life toothbrush )

Techs:

Centauri Ecology - Ecological Restoration
Centauri Empathy - Secrets of Telepathy
Centauri Genetics - Mass Decontamination
Centauri Meditation - Radioactivity Reuse
Centauri Psi - .... disabled, no need for food there
Planetary Networks - Internet or New Internet
Secrets of Alpha Centauri - ..... smth like SuperTelepathy or Matter-Energy control by brain

[binTravkin]

Originally posted by mart7x5

Just ideas for a scenario.

Nuclear war wuld be good -> as it is seen in the AC movie at the beginnin of game

USA and China? Maybe the idea of something close to factions might be better, like societies would form based on cultural models. Thus we might have wester culture and asian culture - something like that.Those cultures might have to develop almost from scratch.

Like in that unfinished faction set in netnode.org
I think it was called "nu sector" or "Second mission" or smth like that.
There was EurAmerica & some kind of muslim fac
After a nuclear war we will certainly need russians (or communists), because there's very many of those bunkers for covering in times of nuke war in former USSR
I live in former USSR and I pass one of those bunkers every day when marching to my university
Maybe we should give them "underground bunkers" ability as for Yang and some more techs,they've kept in underground

Also some kind of Latino-americans (not determined by racial differences) should be good - something like CEO Morgan, but formed not of simple traders bu drug dealers..

Replacements:

Fungus - radioactive remnant - to be cleaned
Mindworms - mutant gorrillas, horses, cats, dogs, whatever you name it .......... just attacking people for food ......
Monoliths - remnant undamaged buildings after nuclear blasts
Alien Artifacts - high tech remnants - (like electronic two-processor, with enrgizer lithium bateries for life toothbrush )

This is a good one!
Especially the toothbrush!
About monoliths-very realistic!
They give salvage resources to bases and units (in turn improving their combat strenght with salvaged high-tech weapons and when the site is exhausted,it just disappears!

Techs:

Centauri Ecology - Ecological Restoration
Centauri Empathy - Secrets of Telepathy
Centauri Genetics - Mass Decontamination
Centauri Meditation - Radioactivity Reuse
Centauri Psi - .... disabled, no need for food there
Planetary Networks - Internet or New Internet
Secrets of Alpha Centauri - ..... smth like SuperTelepathy or Matter-Energy control by brain

Centauri Psi and also others could be modified to not have those bonus effects on fungus and used for creating other techs
Also I suggest that Jets,Copters and missiles become available much sooner (not in 4th,6th & 6th level) but maybe from 1st to 3rd or 4th

Techs:
Information Networks - Recovered Information Structures
High Energy Chemistry - Nuclear Alloys (metals left from Nukewar and melted together when BigBoom took place)
not the best name,maybe you could propose better
Superconductor - (Level 2 tech) Recovered Science (from the scientist bunkers - particle boosters,neutrino telescopes & others)
... - Anti-Radioactivity Barriers (substances which turn radioactivity into other energy types thus protecting all within barrier)

Imagination low this morning - have to sleep better for better ideas!

One good idea - how about those nuclear subs roaming the oceans
Theyd survive a nuclear war!
But where can I put them?
Maybe some Naval tech or predefined unit design..

[GeoModder]

Actually, you have to take into account that the Unity leaves Sol at 2060. And the nuclear holocaust probably only happened some time after departure. Thus at least a 60 year increase of present technology can be thought of.

Techs can be renamed and re-shuffled, no probem there. More difficult is to balance the abilities and chassisses. For instance, submarines exist nowadays, so it would be weird to put that high and dry in the tech tree. Synthetic Fossil Fuels should be discovered, but perhaps short-range choppers can be build earlier, while needlejets have an increase in range -and turn.

Graphics can easily be changed, and the unit's parameters as well. For instance change a mindworm to a scout patrol (and it's atttack behaviour) and call it a bandit, rebel or a gangster or whatever. Another option is to use the graphics -and abilities from a Progenitor wardrone and use those as some sort of rogue attack robots (terminator ). But the further you go up in the tech tree, the more you can leave it as it is now.

[Sovereign]

Sounds like an very interesting scenario. I can't wait to see how it all turns out!

[binTravkin]

I was out 4 some time, just read GeoModders reply..
I will answer in full sentences some time later,but I can remind U to watch intro movie of SMAC another time -> it shows:
As Unity leaves Earth theres some flashing lights on Earths surface,which are so big that can be nothing else than a nukewar!

So,most of the techs will be lost,with only remains in form of "artifacts" as I propose to call "alien artifacts" from SMAC.

But dont worry,if Ure a High-Tech admirer, Nanotechs will probably be in the first levels & Planes & Choppers too..

Dont have SMAX, but probably will,when creation of this mod will come to an end
Then I will use the new features from it.

[binTravkin]

Ideas wanted!

Originally posted by Sovereign
Sounds like an very interesting scenario. I can't wait to see how it all turns out!

And U can make it even more interesting by giving some of your ideas!
This is a complete "brainstorm" thread and all ideas will be taken into consideration, but only the best->into game mod!

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by binTravkin
As Unity leaves Earth theres some flashing lights on Earths surface,which are so big that can be nothing else than a [b]nukewar![/b

Or reflections from the engines on the atmosphere... But I'll have to see the intro again to be sure.

[binTravkin]

Might be!

[Sovereign]

Well, I have a question.

What about the victory conditions? Transcendence should be changed to "Contact Alpha Centauri Colonies" or something like that.

Also, fungus missiles should be changed to Ultra-Neutron Bomb, a bomb of intense radiation that kills all units within a radius proportional to power plant, and reduce city size to 1... similiar to planet busters. It will cause the terrain to be radiated all over again. To offset all this, these "fungus missiles" should have its costs multiplied by at least 2 or 3.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Sovereign What about the victory conditions? Transcendence should be changed to "Contact Alpha Centauri Colonies" or something like that.

Mmm, with an all-out increase of radio-active lands?

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Sovereign

Also, fungus missiles should be changed to Ultra-Neutron Bomb, a bomb of intense radiation that kills all units within a radius proportional to power plant, and reduce city size to 1... similiar to planet busters. It will cause the terrain to be radiated all over again. To offset all this, these "fungus missiles" should have its costs multiplied by at least 2 or 3.

Planet Busters DESTROY cities, they don't reduce the population. But if you know a trick to let Fungal Missiles reduce the basesize to 1, I will be happy to learn it...

For the rest, that neutron bomb idea is a good one.

[Darsnan]

Originally posted by GeoModder

Planet Busters DESTROY cities, they don't reduce the population. But if you know a trick to let Fungal Missiles reduce the basesize to 1, I will be happy to learn it...

A Scud Missile (conventional missile armed with a nerve agent warhead) will kill the primary defender of a city, reduce the population by a factor of "X", but leave all other defending units unharmed. This is about as close as your going to get to simulating a neutron bomb in SMAC(X), IMO. FYI.



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[binTravkin]

Did you know that Command Nexus has already been built?
It is Pentagon!


Idea about that Nerve missile is quite good, Ill try it! Also rename of Fungal Payload and Race To Transcendence (alas Race To The Stars) seem quite reasonable!

About changing behavior of Busters - Maybe reduce in "firepower" might do it..

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by GeoModder


Mmm, with an all-out increase of radio-active lands?

The event could be a major natural disaster or battle or terrorist attack that renders land uninhabitable, spurring a race to the stars (Alpha Centauri or elsewhere).

[Mr. Harley]

One other thought - you can dumb down the name of the base technologies, thus starting from lower tech. It would be a tough balance, but you start off with black powder, then smokeless powder, machine guns, artillery, etc. Then you can have Farm Machinery, etc. Hold it, this would be a historical SMAC mod. Maybe an idea for a different thread.