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  • The inability to run Wealth is bothersome, yes, but the -1 Industry is not as crippling as it's made out to be.

    Aside from the very bottom grade factions, nearly all the faction's weaknesses can be handled with. If they didn't have weaknesses, then they'd all be strong, and thusly boring.

    Yang, for instance, might rate pretty low, but nest him together with a Morganite, interleaving bases like a checkerboard pattern, but conventional ICS diagonal spacing. That, can be awful tough to invade -- Morgan can unleash hoards of probe teams, while Yang's bases take the beatings, and together they survive. As Yang, you'd simply forgo any investment on Economy, as your pactmate can fill in the gaps without difficulty, and dump everything into psych. You shouldn't have any drones anywhere to speak of, and if you had +4 Support and big bases, you could crank out an unholy number of cheap troops. Heck, Morgan could probably dump spare cash in Yang's coffers to rush-build for even more power.

    Any one single faction, aside from the bottom of the barrel Fungboy and Roze, can be crushingly powerful. It depends on your position, your alliances, your timing, and overall performance. So the list there is more of a general guideline, for if you were running strong as Zak but were blindsided by Miriam tossing a bucketful of 6-3-1 missile infantry and Yang scooping 8-4-1 infantry and chaos rovers with enough needlejets to poke someone's eye out, it doesn't matter anymore what your tech lead is.

    I suppose, sure, if every faction was given identical starting locations, equal opportunity, and equal-ish players, some would do quite a bit better than others, but that's not the way the game actually works out. If it wasn't for CMNs, you might have the "best faction" but get stuck on a 4x8 island in the middle of nowhere.

    Maybe I'm saying all this because the Spartans got rated pretty low. XD The industry penalty can be compensated for by running a large cash focus and rush building. The Wealth inhibition just means you spend more time with specialists.

    As for the Drones, here's my notes I scribbled up last night:

    democratic planned knowledge: +1 effic, -2 support, +4 growth, -2 probe, +3 industry
    democratic planned wealth: +1 econ, -2 support, -2 morale, +4 growth, +4 industry, -2 research
    democratic free market wealth: +3 econ, +2 effic, -2 support, -2 morale, -5 police, +2 growth, -3 planet, +3 industry, -2 research
    democratic free market knowledge: +2 econ, +3 effic, -2 support, -5 police, +2 growth, -3 police, -2 probe, +2 industry

    If you run Democratic Planned Wealth Eudamonia, you get +6 Industry. Power is a waste of time for the Drones. I do like Power in the late game with the Spartans but you need a SP to cancel the hurtful Industry penalty. I need to get back and play Yang, Lal and ... well, probably every other faction except Miriam to learn more about them. Drones to me are boring and their research is slow. But that's because building for me is uninteresting. Transcending doesn't interest me: warfare does.

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    • Look, all of the factions are viable, even the lame ones. All my rankings are my personal opinion, I make no particular assertions of omniscience about the game, and yes, my measuring stick of how strong a faction is is how they'd perform when faced with identical starting positions. Yes, in real multiplayer games, player dynamics and game theory make weaker factions fight above their weight, because they're often perceived as less threatening, and stronger factions less desirable, because you'll often be the focus of people's attention.

      However, the assertion that the Spartan industry penalty can be circumvented with cash is false, because industry increases the cost to rush-buy facilities. No matter how you're paying for what you're building, with credits or rocks, you're paying more to do so than other factions. I love Sparta too, but my loving them doesn't make them any better.

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      • Playing the Morganites, I know my first breakthrough should be Biogenetics to rush with cash recycling tanks.

        Then I hesitate... Should I research secondly for Free Market or for Centauri Ecology?

        The Free Market will get me more energy and increase my research, but I'll have to wait longer to start building formers.

        So what would you do?

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        • Centauri Ecology, then beeline for IA. You'll get FM on the way. You don't want to drop immediately into Free Market for a couple of reasons:
          1) You've already delayed your terraforming, and you won't be able to support a vast former army to catch up due to the support penalty.
          2) Your early priority is bases, tanks, roads and trees. FM gets awesome once you have 6+ bases, but you want to get to that point first, and be able to deal with whatever worms and junk you'll find when settling your landmass.
          3) You really want to have Social Psych before switching to FM, imo. You can mess about with doctors, but that's a pretty marginal situation where you're sacrificing workers for base square energy.

          Your goal state, early on, is to get to the first bureaucracy limit (6 bases on large map), get IA, switch to FM, and start rushing out crawlers to crash-build HGP. With HGP in your possession, you can now expand to the next bureaucracy limit (12 bases). Once there, it's time to go hog-wild on a SP building programme, snag all the early projects and research toward the resource holy-grail, environmental economics.

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          • On Librarian, that's 11 bases on a large map, 16 on huge (@ 0 Efficiency).
            Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin
            Iain Banks missed deadline due to Civ | The eyes are the groin of the head. - Dwight Schrute.
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            • It seems I really have anything I need for a good start now, thanks again to all of you.

              One last thing, about the unofficial patch I was advised, does this work on SMAC or SMAX or both?

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              • It works for both games. The download contains two exe files: terran.exe for SMAC and terranx.exe for SMAX.
                "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
                -- Kosh

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                • Originally posted by Petek View Post
                  It works for both games. The download contains two exe files: terran.exe for SMAC and terranx.exe for SMAX.
                  Perfect.

                  I wish I could return the favor.

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                  • Hey guys,

                    I'm on vacation now! I've just reinstalled the game with scient's patch, I need to fix the screen resolution to 1366*768, how can I do that?

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                    • Ok, after a little bit of research I tried adding the directdraw=0 thing but my game crashes a few moments after starting a game.

                      I can't find anything on the internet that works for me.

                      PS: I also have +1 to Planet with Morgan.. How does that happen?!
                      Last edited by Morgan Everett; June 10, 2014, 11:36.

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                      • Originally posted by Morgan Everett View Post
                        Ok, after a little bit of research I tried adding the directdraw=0 thing but my game crashes a few moments after starting a game.

                        I can't find anything on the internet that works for me.
                        See chuft's advice in this thread for information on changing your aspect ratio.

                        PS: I also have +1 to Planet with Morgan.. How does that happen?!
                        You probably have the Manifold Nexus within your territory.
                        "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
                        -- Kosh

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                        • Originally posted by Petek View Post
                          See chuft's advice in this thread for information on changing your aspect ratio.


                          You probably have the Manifold Nexus within your territory.
                          I've read this thread and I don't understand what I'm supposed to do.. Could you explain it yourself?

                          And yes I have the Manifold Nexus, I didn't know it had this effect..

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                          • I haven't had to do this myself, but will see if I can figure it out. Please attach your DxDiag file (Hit the "Windows key" and "R", type in Dxdiag, hit enter. A menu will appear, with a save option at the right bottom. Do this, save it as a file and attach it here). That will give me more information about your system.
                            "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
                            -- Kosh

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                            • Pretty weird. I recently got a widescreen monitor to replace my primary display, so that thread was useful, if a bit confusing.

                              I have an AMD card. Went to Catalyst Control Center, but under Digital Flat Panels, the option to "Maintain aspect ratio" was grayed out. For some stupid reason, I had to reduce the resolution of my display (which was max), then I was able to check "Maintain aspect ratio," then I could go back and max the resolution of my display. Started SMAX, back to normal size (with black bars on the sides).

                              Unfortunately, "Maintain aspect ratio" does not seem to stick after restart, so I have to do it again.
                              Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin
                              Iain Banks missed deadline due to Civ | The eyes are the groin of the head. - Dwight Schrute.
                              One more turn .... One more turn .... | WWTSD

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                              • I've played for a while and I've decided to quit my game, I overestimated the AI.. I've started anew moving up from librarian to thinker, I expect not to be so far ahead after less than a hundred years.

                                I guess your advices worked too well..

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