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    I got nuked !!

    In the AlienH20 game I just got nuked. The base was one I had recently captured and contained a portion of my attack force so it was a decent tactical shot that slowed my advance but notsomething that damaged me in the long run.

    However I noticed that the nuker appears to still be getting trade income from his alliances.The Charter appears to be in place (I was a replacement player so don't know for sure) since Repealing it is an option for Council vote.I also went back to an old turn and tried an atrocity myself (genetic plague by probe team) and immediately lost all trade income even though all my pacts remained

    So my question is around how this can occurr. If you hit a unit with the nuke instead of hitting the base directly perhaps? On my quick test, the automatic sanction applied to me when I did a probe atrocity so it can't be a case that automatic sanctions only impact AI players.

    So I am left with two options

    1. Some atrocities result in automatic sanctions among human players and some do not

    2. There are ways to nuke that don't result in atrocities and sanctions. My operating theory is that nuking a native life will not cost you trade but I will have to go test this.


    I do not atrocity much so I haven't experienced this before. I had actually thought that the loss of trade would hurt my opponent more than the nuke damaged me. But if there are no sanctions I may as well go nuke happy .


    Oh and despite my catching that nuke, my war goes very well. This past turn saw seeral more bases join my fold . I guess my opponent may decide to again nuke his own former citizens
    Last edited by Flubber; March 8, 2006, 10:29.
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    So sayeth the holder of truth, information, yada yada,...
    if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
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      So sayeth the holder of truth, information, yada yada,...
      Thanks Kata-- The perpetrator confirmed that his nuke hit MY sporelauncher so theories about nuking wild natives aren't applicable


      Its an odd game mechanic though. If I do a preobe atrocity, I lose all trade but if I blatantly nuke a city, I do not - - - seems somewhat hypocritical
      You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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      • #4
        Interestingly that OP is the same player you inherited your current game from that you nuked someone and then asked how nuke sanctions work, sortof confirming the same knowledge in the same way yourself....
        if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

        ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
          Interestingly that OP is the same player you inherited your current game from that you nuked someone and then asked how nuke sanctions work, sortof confirming the same knowledge in the same way yourself....
          yup

          I don't think I have ever nuked anyone in a MP game where I had pactmates or treatymates so I had no reason before to get this information.

          In fact the only MP games where I ever used nukes, my opponents capitulated on the same turn as the strike was into their heartland.

          Thankfully this nuking was on the "front" . . . so actual long-term damage was negligible . . but I would still have liked to have had him face trade sanctions. I am now applying diplomatic pressure for other factions to break ties but I don't expect that to work too well since the perpetrator's biggest trading partner is also my biggest rival
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          • #6
            Are there any other atrocities that DON'T bring sanctions in PBEMs??

            I confirmed that a probe genetic plague apparently does. I think gassing does not but thats pretty easy to test. I wonder about the crash destruction of a base-- say a recently captured one-- ??
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            • #7
              Oh and from the other thread it appears that the ecological effects of the gassing and nuking do remain so the perpetrator should see lots of fungal pops-- Since he is the cult that might be very welcome
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              • #8
                Yep destroy base brings atrocities
                I tested it before for a PBEM i was in. I think only PBs are without penalty. This is because AI factions go auto-war but humans are given the option to not declare war(as the AI should imho) and thus can avoid the penalty.
                if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                • #9
                  Those lategame pops cannot be controlled by empaths so he will have to kill them, so he dosnt get a free army(AFAIK). However the EC income can be huge...i got 7000~EC per turn off pops in cgn21!! (before sea rising destoryed us that is lol)
                  if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                  ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
                    Those lategame pops cannot be controlled by empaths so he will have to kill them, so he dosnt get a free army(AFAIK). However the EC income can be huge...i got 7000~EC per turn off pops in cgn21!! (before sea rising destoryed us that is lol)
                    and the problem is that it will be tough for him to kill masess of worms without taking some damage and becoming vulnerable to my attacks.

                    The sealevel rises don't scare me much since this started as an aquatic game . Many bases are seabases to begin with. I also have eneough formers to keep my land core dry.
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                    • #11
                      The sealevel rises don't scare me much since this started as an aquatic game . Many bases are seabases to begin with. I also have eneough formers to keep my land core dry.
                      I was fortunate in that my attackers were already in place and had tacticly won the battle by the nearly complete destruction of his military. Even though i lost massive ammounts of bases, i still won (think i lost 1\4 my bases next turn alone)
                      if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                      ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kataphraktoi


                        I was fortunate in that my attackers were already in place and had tacticly won the battle by the nearly complete destruction of his military. Even though i lost massive ammounts of bases, i still won (think i lost 1\4 my bases next turn alone)
                        I don't think I would lose ANY bases to searises since they are all size 5 or more (Cloning vats plus CBA plus food satellites) but they could take heavy damage.
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                        • #13
                          Even if the base went down to size one, which is i think the only effect, vats would make that size5 in only 4 turns. Very minimal damage.

                          Oh and that game(cgn21) has a 6000 meter searise
                          if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                          ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                          • #14
                            How often you see a thread with only 2 people talking..?

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                            • #15
                              Whats the problem? I can't help that kata was the one that came up with the infomation answering my question.
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