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  • #16
    Well, since I've started to play MP I've seen a lot of FM usage...which I don't tend to. I am, as Clear Skies stated before, a Demo/Green/Knowledge "junkie"...I'm just in love with Efficiency! I really don't know why, but "Paradigmatic Economy" seems so appealing ...
    I'll have to give FM a try, altough I hate drones ..the little red bastards...and on top of that, I usually don't nerve staple, mostly because of my gaian origins, altough I now play with Pirates..
    "Too much ambition is a sin...only if you fail"
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lord_Icewind
      Well, since I've started to play MP I've seen a lot of FM usage...which I don't tend to. I am, as Clear Skies stated before, a Demo/Green/Knowledge "junkie"...I'm just in love with Efficiency! I really don't know why, but "Paradigmatic Economy" seems so appealing ...
      I'll have to give FM a try, altough I hate drones ..the little red bastards...and on top of that, I usually don't nerve staple, mostly because of my gaian origins, altough I now play with Pirates..
      I've played many games of SMAC and have never nerve-stapled. I've used FM quite a bit for the past few years (like you I didn't like it at first but later couldn't argue with it's success, especially in the early game) and I've never had that much trouble with drones under any circumstances. The most trouble is in the early game when you have to check your bases regularly to see which ones are about to grow and riot unless you make someone a doctor, but that only lasts until I get a happiness SP or Rec Commons installed in most bases.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Lord_Icewind
        I hate drones ..the little red bastards...
        Well if you fed us something better than soylent green, we might not get so pissed.

        Try turning up the psych to 30% means you can afford us Jumbo XenoJacks and Salisbury Steaks. That makes drones happy.

        I hear what you are thinking....30% of my income so you lazy bums can eat Salisbury Steak? Yes. Remember you double your income for that 30% so you end up with a 70% surplus and drone control
        "They’re lazy troublemakers, and they all carry weapons." - SMAC Manual, Page 59 Regarding Drones
        "Without music, life would be a mistake." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
        "If fascism came to America it would be on a program of Americanism." -- Huey Long
        "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering

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        • #19
          so you end up with a 70% surplus and drone control
          Yeah - it's golden age!
          -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
          -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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          • #20
            Actually, I've never had psych with more than a 10%..
            "Too much ambition is a sin...only if you fail"
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            • #21
              I find golden age by high psych setting quite useful

              My extreme psych are like 60% - but I try to avoid it.
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              • #22
                Be careful about the luxury limit with your psych settings though. If you are producing any more than 2 psych per population at your base the excess is wasted. This is easy to do once you have a few psych boosting facilities. In general I prefer to use specialists to generate psych, as they can be tailored base to base. When you use the psych allocation it uses up x% of your energy in every base, including your Super Science Base which is in perpetual Golden Age even with the 10% psych.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by livid imp


                  Well if you fed us something better than soylent green, we might not get so pissed.

                  Try turning up the psych to 30% means you can afford us Jumbo XenoJacks and Salisbury Steaks. That makes drones happy.

                  I hear what you are thinking....30% of my income so you lazy bums can eat Salisbury Steak? Yes. Remember you double your income for that 30% so you end up with a 70% surplus and drone control


                  Yeah 0% Psych results in Mad Drone Disease.


                  Keep your Drones free-range and organic, or else you'll see more of our smilin' red faces!



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                  • #24
                    Frankly, I think the penalties with FM are too severe. You basically cannot have an airforce under FM (unless you build punishment spheres or crank up the psych slider way up). How can you wage war without an airforce?
                    'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by The diplomat
                      Frankly, I think the penalties with FM are too severe. You basically cannot have an airforce under FM (unless you build punishment spheres or crank up the psych slider way up). How can you wage war without an airforce?
                      Try playing as Sparta. In single player, it's great. I'm going to find out how well it works in MP.

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                      • #26
                        unless you build punishment spheres
                        And THIS is the solution most players use - you actually must build only 1 sphere and rehome all your potentially pacifism-inciting units to it..
                        -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                        -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The diplomat
                          Frankly, I think the penalties with FM are too severe. You basically cannot have an airforce under FM (unless you build punishment spheres or crank up the psych slider way up). How can you wage war without an airforce?
                          naw, I used to think that. But FM is too powerful. At least for the human. For the ai, yeah the penalties could be less.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dissident


                            naw, I used to think that. But FM is too powerful. At least for the human. For the ai, yeah the penalties could be less.
                            I beat the snot out of Santiago the other night, and she was running FM the entire time. It was tough but she was dogged about it.
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                            But he touched it too much!
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                            • #29
                              Really? I often get into a vendetta with the AI purely to force them to stop running Free Market. She actually kept running it all the way through? Whoa. Most of the AI factions just flip straight to Fundy-Power or some similarly army-boosting, energy-choking combo.
                              "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by binTravkin


                                And THIS is the solution most players use - you actually must build only 1 sphere and rehome all your potentially pacifism-inciting units to it..
                                and you don't even need a sphere-- Build a base that crawls only minerals and builds only morale enhancers and military. Make its only citizen a specialist-- NO problem
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