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[binTravkin]

Mmm, I was thinking more in terms of a stick in the turkey's cage...

Please decrypt this for me - my English fails to evaluate this sentence..

[GeoModder]

Stirring things up now and then by a well placed remark... or to shock people in their opinions, and sit back and enjoy the confusion you caused.

[binTravkin]

You mean this about my post regarding aliens?

I think it's just logical.
Everyone can get such a result when wrapping his mind around a bit around the Liberation Day (movie) concept..

Not just see the movie and feel like the aliens are actually planning an attack (that's way they're hovering around in their UFOs, yeah! )..

[Commy]

I'm talking about those aliens in the game, which I believe this thread is intended for...

Yeah, the butt-ugly ones that tend to land PBs just a little too much in my territory...

Yes, binTravikin, I really do think they did something to me...let's keep this thread to the game as much as we can...

[binTravkin]

Ok, ok it was just a stick in the turkey's cage..

[Kataphraktoi]

this thread is quite funny to read,cant help hitting reply...

Originally posted by binTravkin

Than what can I expect from Latvian Defense Forces?

i advise you start digging now,and when things get bad, maybe,just maybe, youll be down far enough

Originally posted by binTravkin


Huh, the moon has CLOUDS?
Blah, it's something new to me, Im starting to think Im not so good as astronomy - better get some books ASAP!

a small layer of gasses or particles of stuff is indeed over the moon.i believe this is enough to interfere and lesson the stars brightness even more. all IIRC

This thread keeps getting weirder and weirder.

QFT

First, binTravkin, you start telling me the US did crap in WW2, and now you're telling me the moon landing is fake?
What's it going to be next? Jesus is a homo, and the priory of zion exists?
Or maybe hitler was part of the green party and was in a catonic state...
First off, about the shadows on the moon, can you say "CLOUDS". Heck, even the retards in Siberia know clouds reflect light. There is no way you would see the stars with the reflection from both clouds and the lunar craft and, of course, the moon...
If the moon landing was fake, then that would mean then the Australian government would be lying about broadcasting the landing. I'm sorry, but I highly doubt that...
If the moon-landing was fake, it was all a ploy, then the USSR would know about it. And if you want to try and tell me the USSR would not take up the chance to screw the whole US, then you're worse than a drunken Irish catholic that looks like a mulatto asian mix...
You know, a third grader knows how to make a flag rigid. Ah, duh, you soak in elmer's glue. Or maybe you put a frame around it.
Oh, by the way, have you heard that Osama bin Ladin and John Kerry are cousins...
And I bet you binTravkin have heard all about the green pigs that live under the sea that are going to take over the world...
And I bet you believe there are alligators in the sewer too...
You say you base your opinions off truth and facts...
As far as I can tell, you have no evidence what-so-ever. The best, binTravikin, you could do, is prove that the Australian government transmitted a fake moon-landing to all TV viewers because it couldn't get the signal from the moon, which, by the way, doesn't actually prove no one landed on the moon...
The odds of getting a bunch of outback rancheros, a commune of soviets, and the American feds to all agree to fake a moon-landing is zero, nil, zippo.
You might as well try and tell me the Chinese government actually lets all the trashmen vote for the premier and wall-mart greeters are part of mensa...
Heck, if what you say is true, then the American feds just might be worse than the vatican...and that's saying a lot...

Quoted for Truth and Amusing Themes. although i doubt the feds can be as bad as the vatican,ever,anywhere and nohow.

I think good psychologist is only specialist needed by binTravkin.

i like that one added to my quotes list


all the pwnzering you guys laid on bT, have a bit of mercy



before i get pwnzered myself for spam, i have a completely legit reason for topping i will edit in whenever i think of it. yeah

[Maniac]

Great thread!

[binTravkin]

all the pwnzering you guys laid on bT, have a bit of mercy

Actualy the quote above made me ignore this thread.
I don't argue with persons who use '[omnipresent] clouds on moon' and other stupid stuff as their arguments.

I've read quotes from US soldiers themselves saying approx: 'What would we be without USAAF'.

And if you want to see how a 'Moon landing' can be made in studio precisely in details, see USSR movie 'Sagittarius - 1', I bet you'll be like knowing it's made in studio + Kazakhstan desert.

And the fender's argument about camera quality got completely ignored if you noticed, just for the sake of pwning someone.

It's just the argument style - ignore some, offend others, which makes me sick.

I can appreciate some very interesting analysis by CT, but they only covered gravity aspect and on 'perhaps' basis explained strange reflection angles.

If he had seen the movie I talked on above, I bet he'd be in different thoughts..

In overall this thread reminds me some other dicussions where people tried 'pwning' me by telling that US has given everything good we have, US has beaten Germany, US has has has has..
If you say something to a normal person, he thinks and responds, but these answers are kinda reflexive.
I could even say something good about US still someone would react and start like 'US has..' only then realising I didn't actually offend his patriotic feelings.
Same is true with many russians too.
God save you from saying that Stalin was not the 'good daddy of mother Russia' or Baltic states were not 'Russian property from the begginning of time', they will start to spit crazy things at you.

So, yeah, great thread, I liked to listen to the same arguments over and over, just wonder why FBI does not come to Europe and arrest those numerous astronomists, who not only dismiss this Moon landing but hold public studies on how to detect fakes by scientific methods.
Bet in US they'd be shot dead before FBI has a chance on them..

And

a small layer of gasses or particles of stuff is indeed over the moon.i believe this is enough to interfere and lesson the stars brightness even more

Even if the moon atmosphere was 1000 times less sparse (it's even sparser!) than Earth's, it wouldn't dim almost anything.
So far noone has explained this phenonmenon in this thread and noone ever can, because cameras were good enough to catch stars and there were no other significant effects interfering.
And don't say they 'blinded' the lens so that background was black but the vessel an be seen in very small details..


I expect now some half-arsed 'geenpigging', 'you need psychologist' et cetera..

[binTravkin]

The Hoax Of Moon Landing - Explanation
A scientific approach to things..

[Illuminatus]

Thread: die

[Kataphraktoi]

Bin if you cant tell humor from insult, i suggest you refrain from posting in threads thusly. your message is quite offensive if i was feeling in the mood to take offense. you quite openly laid down insults without justification imho.

I see i was mistaken to raise this, and if illum would close this i would be
My apologies

Edit: i submitted my post before seeing Illuminatus' post.
please dont kill me

[binTravkin]

Bin if you cant tell humor from insult

Sometimes it's hard yes.
Especially one pretends something that sound ridiculous, you try to 'play with him' as if he was joking and in the end turns out he was serious..

Maybe Im just not born under the right flag (or languag if you wish)..

[Kataphraktoi]

Even if the moon atmosphere was 1000 times less sparse (it's even sparser!) than Earth's, it wouldn't dim almost anything.
So far noone has explained this phenonmenon in this thread and noone ever can, because cameras were good enough to catch stars and there were no other significant effects interfering.
And don't say they 'blinded' the lens so that background was black but the vessel an be seen in very small details..

explain why the soviets didnt point this out? im sure they had hundreds of people working on examining those tapes and anything sent back they could get,and getting answers the right way,by trying to find a solution to the problem themselves instead of saying ''LOL thats obvoiusly fake''. the proactive method

the people they had working on it likely verified every single thing as fact,and therefore didnt say anything. might i add only american sensationalists and little countries with telescopes (that was a joke) have challanged this.

and all that stuff about cameras being as good as todays digitals,and esspecially the ones used by the elite....dont believe it. technology has increased in huge leaps,and things even a few years back are discareded as junk compared to the newer things. just the honest answer from cata...

take a

[binTravkin]

explain why the soviets didnt point this out? im sure they had hundreds of people working on examining those tapes and anything sent back they could get,and getting answers the right way,by trying to find a solution to the problem themselves instead of saying ''LOL thats obvoiusly fake''. the proactive method

Soviets DID point it out and they pointed in 100% precise details in movie 'Sagittarius - 1', which was released in early 70's IIRC and was filmed in Kazakhstan desert and Riga Movie Studio (which was the best in USSR at that time).
Strangely enough, I saw that movie in 1989 and many people of older generations have seen it as well, yet after 1991 there's no copies available even in public movie archives, think 'The Magic Wand Of US'

However, the numerous publications by Soviet newspapers regarding this theme are still available in Latvian National Library and Latvian State Archive, both public institutions.

The fact they never made it past the 'Iron Curtain' does not surprise me, because obviously a less visible but even more filtering 'curtain' stood from the other side.

They also are not available in Internet for two simple reasons:
1.95% of Soviet era materials are not, because of relatively recent digitalisation.
2.Some materials are less likely to be publicised, for reasons obvious to politically aware individuals.

the people they had working on it likely verified every single thing as fact,and therefore didnt say anything. might i add only american sensationalists and little countries with telescopes (that was a joke) have challanged this.

If you had seen the movie I mentioned above or at least read a couple of Soviet newspapers released right after those 'Apollo broadcasts', you would be surprised that some (if not most) facts being sensationalised origin in USSR, and origin very shortly (in question of days) after the 'broadcasts'.

and all that stuff about cameras being as good as todays digitals,and esspecially the ones used by the elite....dont believe it. technology has increased in huge leaps,and things even a few years back are discareded as junk compared to the newer things. just the honest answer from cata...

See the pixel depth of Moon pics and the pixel depth of newest digitals - the difference is obvious.


As to why then Soviet's didn't use those data for spitting US in face there's very simple answer.
When Gagarin was going to cosmos (as per schedule set by Party), USSRs technology was not ready for it - a dozen of astronauts had already died in previous failed attempts and Gagarin would most probably see nothing different.
I think you in US have the Gagarin's international interview material available - see it, note how several times he get's silenced by USSR's scientists accompanying him and especially notice the moment when he says that when he flew over South America, 'it's figure was so beautiful from the skies'.
I would just admit here that it was 2:00 AM in SA when he flew over it, thus the best he could have seen are the brightest cities' lights, moreso for the fact he was actually exposed to sun rising over horison and thus everything above should be dimmed by reflected (by atmosphere and by his illuminator glass) sunlight.

I think US had at least suspicion of this being hoax as well, thus if Soviet's uncovered theit analysis of Apollo, they'd do the same with Iurii.

The study of interview has been made by several individuals and scientific groups, most notably some people from Sweden (where I read this info).
You can Google it if you like, I don't have the link bookmarked, but I think I could find it again if some people don't believe.
(the movie on Gagarin you'll need to find yourself tho, I have no idea where to get it on the net, I watched it twice on a lens cinescope at Latvian University's Astronomy Center).

Took a , yet it does not make me feel better for all the lies around.

[PJayTycy]

We also have this idiot who comes to our university twice per year trying to convince us of :
=> all space travel (ie: also satellites etc) are fake
=> the anti-conception pill for women is evil

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/proof.html

warning though : he is as convinced of the truth as bintravkin, but his arguments are completely different