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Over at WePlayCiv a thread was created about the Apolyton Archives.
I have tried to explain the situation again overthere because I owe this explanation to the community.
If I post about it overthere, then I certainly must do it here as well, so here's the same post for you to read:
I have tried to explain the situation again overthere because I owe this explanation to the community.
If I post about it overthere, then I certainly must do it here as well, so here's the same post for you to read:
Maybe it's good to answer some questions here, b/c the legacy of Apolyton is important for the entire civ fanbase, and not only for the polytubes.
Apolyton was on vB2 for a long time, till it was migrated to vB3 about 2 years ago by Gramphos.
Like Solver said, it was very hard to migrate the oldest files. Some even dated from before the vB era.
Jeroen, our MySQL expert, has invested a lot of time into migrating to vB4, which was already very very hard.
Apolyton has an age of 12 years. There were so many legacy systems, different parts of the site, hosted sites, wiki's, etc.
All hosted on this very expensive server, which was very unstable. And on another legacy server. Much of the really old stuff was never even migrated to vB3.
When DanQ wanted to hand over Apolyton, Solver and Locutus, being admins and co-owners themselves of Apolyton back then, were approached as well, like Solver already explained in this thread.
They decided that it would be impossible to 'save' Apolyton technically, there was too much legacy. And they started, together with Dale, weplayciv.
Then the end of Apolyton was coming close. Locutus and Solver (after MarkG left) were the ones with most technical knowledge of all the Apolyton systems.
I thought that it was a great idea to give it a try at least.
Together with Jeroen (MySQL expert) and Arno (Server expert) and Rutger (Marketing expert) we teamed up to give it a go. (No, we're not German, we're Dutch
)
I think that Jeroen did a marvelous job by making Apolyton the way it is today, completely vb4 and stable. Rutger created a very nice layout and Arno was able to transfer us to a completely new cloud server environment.
But then the archives issue kept bugging us. We had to continue to pay for the legacy environment to keep it on air. Every month this large amount again. Jeroen did a couple of attempts to migrate it, it all failed.
At a certain moment one must make this most difficult decision. We have asked for help from the community, but in the end we could not keep AND the legacy server ANd the new servers up in the air, wasting hours of work every week to try to save it.
So we had to stop the archives. Of course we have a hard copy of the archives, but just like Solver's one it's not readable for the human eye. In the future I hope to make it readable in read-only format in one or another way.
But we do not have it in SQL format anymore. It's gone with the old server.
Maybe some think it's the worst decision made.
Well, We had to pay more money then Lancer donated to WPC, per month, to keep it on air. And it was visited like 25 times per month at most.
I'm not happy that it is gone, but I'm proud that we tried that much.
Without us everything Apolyton would have been gone. Now it's "just" the archives.
I personally think it's more unfortunate that we have split up our already shrinking community.
But that's a personal opinion. Maybe Solver and Locutus should back then have had a bit more faith in the abilities of Jeroen
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Apolyton was on vB2 for a long time, till it was migrated to vB3 about 2 years ago by Gramphos.
Like Solver said, it was very hard to migrate the oldest files. Some even dated from before the vB era.
Jeroen, our MySQL expert, has invested a lot of time into migrating to vB4, which was already very very hard.
Apolyton has an age of 12 years. There were so many legacy systems, different parts of the site, hosted sites, wiki's, etc.
All hosted on this very expensive server, which was very unstable. And on another legacy server. Much of the really old stuff was never even migrated to vB3.
When DanQ wanted to hand over Apolyton, Solver and Locutus, being admins and co-owners themselves of Apolyton back then, were approached as well, like Solver already explained in this thread.
They decided that it would be impossible to 'save' Apolyton technically, there was too much legacy. And they started, together with Dale, weplayciv.
Then the end of Apolyton was coming close. Locutus and Solver (after MarkG left) were the ones with most technical knowledge of all the Apolyton systems.
I thought that it was a great idea to give it a try at least.
Together with Jeroen (MySQL expert) and Arno (Server expert) and Rutger (Marketing expert) we teamed up to give it a go. (No, we're not German, we're Dutch
)I think that Jeroen did a marvelous job by making Apolyton the way it is today, completely vb4 and stable. Rutger created a very nice layout and Arno was able to transfer us to a completely new cloud server environment.
But then the archives issue kept bugging us. We had to continue to pay for the legacy environment to keep it on air. Every month this large amount again. Jeroen did a couple of attempts to migrate it, it all failed.
At a certain moment one must make this most difficult decision. We have asked for help from the community, but in the end we could not keep AND the legacy server ANd the new servers up in the air, wasting hours of work every week to try to save it.
So we had to stop the archives. Of course we have a hard copy of the archives, but just like Solver's one it's not readable for the human eye. In the future I hope to make it readable in read-only format in one or another way.
But we do not have it in SQL format anymore. It's gone with the old server.
Maybe some think it's the worst decision made.
Well, We had to pay more money then Lancer donated to WPC, per month, to keep it on air. And it was visited like 25 times per month at most.
I'm not happy that it is gone, but I'm proud that we tried that much.
Without us everything Apolyton would have been gone. Now it's "just" the archives.
I personally think it's more unfortunate that we have split up our already shrinking community.
But that's a personal opinion. Maybe Solver and Locutus should back then have had a bit more faith in the abilities of Jeroen
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