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I regret letting you in here. We can get this reactionary bullcrap anywhere on the nets.
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and if trump was such a disaster of a leader why is brandon failing so bad, seems he should be doing much better - or should we discuss what bidens failures are after the midterms. come on man (as biden would say) biden won because of TDS - nothing more nothing less. no one voted for biden, only against trump. biden could have been a box of rocks - and in many ways he is.
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" His general abuse towards illegal immigrants" you mean all the fake stories from the dems???
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Originally posted by PLATO View Post
It was actually well on its way. With the flood of undocumented immigrants since Biden took power, maybe we should have supported it more. Surely you can't support what is happening at the boarder???
The boarder problems are in part caused by Biden not having control, due to activist judges. I guess you could say that Trump had some of the same problems. This is why Congress should do things, and not judges/presidents by executive order.
Credit should be given for coming closer than anyone else. Now, the lack of enthusiasm to engage a nuclear armed state on one of our best allies boarders, just boggles the mind. Trump gave up nothing in the negotiations and brought about years of no nuclear weapon testing. Not a big win by any stretch, but at least a small one.
While it was a good attempt, it was still a failure. I agree that it was better to attempt and fail than not to attempt at all. So you are right, he should get credit for this.
Oh please...really?
This actually points to another leadership failure. Either Trump was a a disaster, or many of his key cabinet picks were liars/bad apples/etc (and so he was a disaster) or both.
So let's be truthful about his weakness and not just repeat propoganda talking points.
JM
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Credit should be given for coming closer than anyone else. - REALLY!?!?
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostSure. I think that Trump was a disaster of a leader, even if you liked his policies.
If he had been a strong leader his coup attempt would have been successful.
He couldn't get his wall built.
He couldn't end the ACA.
He couldn't completely ban muslim people from entering the US.
He couldn't get infrastructure week to go.
He couldn't make peace with North Korea.
He ended US leadership around the globe.
He couldn't bring peace to the Middle East.
What did you want? Everybody singing kumbaya in 4 years?
He couldn't end DACA.
He couldn't have Black Lives Matter (and other) protestors shot.
Finally, just being 'a leader' is not a positive. Even a good leader. Caesar and Napoleon were good leaders, but terrible for the Roman and French Republics. I don't want a Caesar or Napoleon now.
JM
So...in the final analysis, I have to say that Trump was not a good President or Leader...and for one very important reason. Trump was devisive. He treated people who disagreed with him poorly. He was a bully. He did not know how to compromise.
So let's be truthful about his weakness and not just repeat propoganda talking points.
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DIDNT read past this - If he had been a strong leader his coup attempt would have been successful. pelosi and shifft... the whole russia fake story please - go away.
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Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV View Posti dont need moral leadership. i know right for wrong. i know trump is rough. i know biden is a ******. i want a leader. trump (with argument) has more leadership than brandon... you want to argue this????
I will, depending on the will of others, either leave or resist until the last drop of blood leaves my veins.
We are not the same.
JM
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Sure. I think that Trump was a disaster of a leader, even if you liked his policies. If he had been a strong leader his coup attempt would have been successful. He couldn't get his wall built. He couldn't end the ACA. He couldn't completely ban muslim people from entering the US. He couldn't get infrastructure week to go. He couldn't make peace with North Korea. He ended US leadership around the globe. He couldn't bring peace to the Middle East. He couldn't end DACA. He couldn't have Black Lives Matter (and other) protestors shot.
Finally, just being 'a leader' is not a positive. Even a good leader. Caesar and Napoleon were good leaders, but terrible for the Roman and French Republics. I don't want a Caesar or Napoleon now.
JM
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i dont need moral leadership. i know right for wrong. i know trump is rough. i know biden is a ******. i want a leader. trump (with argument) has more leadership than brandon... you want to argue this????
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Have Republicans disavow the coup attempt and Trump and I will quit caring as much about label.
JM
(and.I don't just mean Romney/etc)
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At some point it is about the group that supports the politician who attempted a coup to remain in power, and is making movements so that next time a similar coup would be unsuccessful, and the group that does not support such a politician.
I yearn for the day when Republicans are more like Romney or Hogan. I don't see it.
It isn't about Trump's economic policy, or Biden's, or what is better foreign policy and who has that better foreign policy.
JM
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Voting for someone just because they carry the label "democrat" instead of "republican" is part of the problem. There are many things to consider in picking a President. Policy considerations and moral fortitude should be, IMHO, the most important. Hard to find anyone in Politics that meet both those. I loved Trump's economic policies, but I hated the moral side. I also hated his foreign policy. For Biden, he gets higher marks on the moral part by a large measure, but still has issues there. Mixed bag for me on his policies. I mostly like the foreign policy, but domestic policy doesn't work for me. Economic policy, unless we see a turnaround, is a disaster. I am hopeful that both parties will have someone emerge that can rise above the candidates we are currently looking at. After all...Obama came out of nowhere (and so did Trump for that matter).
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostI was pleasantly surprised by Biden early, however, I am more and more certain that I hope for a new Democratic candidate in 2024. I think Biden will just be too old.
Although if he runs, I expect I will vote for him.
JM
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