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[snoopy369]

Mildly surprised they didn't run a bit more at the end there... wonder what would've happened if they had.

[Al B. Sure!]

Here's my question... all those years in Atlanta and none of those coaching staffs could turn Vick into a passer yet Andy Reid could do it in one year? What's up with that?

[snoopy369]

Andy Reid is a very good QB coach.

[Al B. Sure!]

Mildly surprised they didn't run a bit more at the end there... wonder what would've happened if they had.

Regardless,



You've forgotten Brandon Marshall

[Imran Siddiqui]

Also, as I keep saying (and as only Jaguar on this forum seems to realize), the Falcons talent around Vick was HORRIBLE. They had a crappy OL, and crappy WRs (until Roddy White got there and even then, Vick only got him for a couple years).

And what "none of those coaching staffs" do you mean? There were only two - Dan Reeves' (2 years, IIRC) and then Jim Mora's. Not that Mora was a good coach.

[-Jrabbit]

Falcons got away with one today. But they played well. Kudos to them for being in position to take advantage after Hartley shanked a 29-yarder.

[SlowwHand]

Tomlinson looked good tonight. You may not want to admit it, but he did.

[-Jrabbit]

I'm already on the record -- I totally agree.

[Al B. Sure!]

Also, as I keep saying (and as only Jaguar on this forum seems to realize), the Falcons talent around Vick was HORRIBLE. They had a crappy OL, and crappy WRs (until Roddy White got there and even then, Vick only got him for a couple years).

And what "none of those coaching staffs" do you mean? There were only two - Dan Reeves' (2 years, IIRC) and then Jim Mora's. Not that Mora was a good coach.

Regardless of the talent around him or lack thereof (he did have Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler, don't forget though), you'd have to be delusional to think he was actually a good passer.

Vick says it himself that he wasn't and that he was lazy on the Falcons.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So are you actually going to say that supporting talent doesn't matter?

Seriously, you just named another running back and a TE to show that he had talent to catch the ball.

[snoopy369]

We'll see what his yardage at the end of the year is The Jets were without their cover corner, don't forget. I very much wonder if Revis Island could've changed those totals a bit. The Dolphins did pass a lot more than I expected, though.

Also, great graphic

[Al B. Sure!]

So are you actually going to say that supporting talent doesn't matter?

Seriously, you just named another running back and a TE to show that he had talent to catch the ball.

I'm saying that regardless of the talent around a QB, you can usually identify if it's him or his receivers. In a case like Vick, he had such poor throwing mechanics, didn't have good reads, etc. that it was obvious that he wasn't much of a passer, regardless of who was around him. I don't think anyone would dispute that or would dispute that Vick has improved immensely in those areas. Hell, Vick has said himself that he was lazy and wasn't much of a passer back then. He's publicly said that McNabb and Reid are the reasons for his improvement.

[SlowwHand]

I'd like to see this trend continue. Maybe after all the smoke clears, he'll really be a QB.

Vick's stellar early season play continued Sunday, as he went 17-of-31 for 291 yards, passed for three touchdowns through the air, and rushed for 30 yards and a touchdown during the Eagles' win over the Jaguars.

Recommendation: Vick's passing has been absolutely outstanding so far this season, as he has a 6:0 TD:INT ratio through three games, and his completion percentage has also been higher than his career average.

I underline the rushing total to emphasize that rushing isn't foremost on his mind right now. A lot of QB's will rush for 30 yards in a game. That's acceptable. To be the team's leading rusher in pro ball wasn't acceptable.

[Al B. Sure!]

This Vick quote says it all:

"I'm 10 times better than I was four years ago,'' Vick said. "I've learned so much about the position, about being a complete quarterback, from [coach] Andy [Reid] and [offensive coordinator] Marty [Mornhinweg]. How to stay active back there, how to make good decisions, or they'll be down my throat. I like that. It's something I need.''

Again, it makes you really wonder what the hell were those Atlanta coaches doing all those years? It took a year of Reid to turn Vick into a passer. Why couldn't Reeves or Mora do that, considering how much they had invested in him?

[SlowwHand]

I think it could of been things outside of football that caused him to rethink many things. Kind of like leading a horse to water scenario.