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minus 18 degrees this morning. L4GW!Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
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Gore: Polar ice may vanish in 5-7 years
By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent – Mon Dec 14, 6:24 pm ET
COPENHAGEN – New computer modeling suggests the Arctic Ocean may be nearly ice-free in the summertime as early as 2014, Al Gore said Monday at the U.N. climate conference. This new projection, following several years of dramatic retreat by polar sea ice, suggests that the ice cap may nearly vanish in the summer much sooner than the year 2030, as was forecast by a U.S. government agency eight months ago.
One U.S. government scientist Monday questioned the new prediction as too severe, but other researchers previously have projected a quicker end than 2030 to the Arctic summer ice cap.
"It is hard to capture the astonishment that the experts in the science of ice felt when they saw this," said former U.S. Vice President Gore, who joined Scandinavian officials and scientists to brief journalists and delegates. It was Gore's first appearance at the two-week conference.
The group presented two new reports updating fast-moving developments in Antarctica, the autonomous Danish territory of Greenland, and the rest of the Arctic.
"The time for collective and immediate action on climate change is now," said Denmark's foreign minister, Per Stig Moeller.
But delegates from 192 nations were bogged down in disputes over key issues. This further dimmed hopes for immediate action to cut more deeply into global emissions of greenhouse gases.
Gore and Danish ice scientist Dorthe Dahl Jensen clicked through two slide shows for a standing-room-only crowd of hundreds in a side event at the Bella Center conference site.
One report, on the Greenland ice sheet, was issued by the Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, an expert group formed by eight Arctic governments, including the United States. The other, commissioned by Gore and Norway's government, was compiled by the Norwegian Polar Institute on the status of ice melt worldwide.
Average global temperatures have increased 0.74 degrees C (1.3 degrees F) in the past century, but the mercury has risen at least twice as quickly in the Arctic. Scientists say the makeup of the frozen north polar sea has shifted significantly in recent years as much of the thick multiyear ice has given way to thin seasonal ice.
In the summer of 2007, the Arctic ice cap dwindled to a record-low minimum extent of 4.3 million square kilometers (1.7 million square miles) in September. The melting in 2008 and 2009 was not as extensive, but still ranked as the second- and third-greatest decreases on record.
Last April, the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted that Arctic summers could be almost ice-free within 30 years, not at the 21st century's end as earlier predicted.
Gore cited new scientific work at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School, whose Arctic ice research is important for planning polar voyages by Navy submarines. The computer modeling there stresses the "volumetric," looking not just at the surface extent of ice but its thickness as well.
"Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap during some of the summer months will be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years," Gore said. His office later said he meant nearly ice-free, because ice would be expected to survive in island channels and other locations.
Asked for comment, one U.S. government scientist questioned what he called this "aggressive" projection.
"It's possible but not likely," said Mark Serreze of the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado. "We're sticking with 2030."
On the other hand, a leading NASA ice scientist, Jay Zwally, said last year that the Arctic could be essentially ice-free within "five to less than 10 years."
Meanwhile, what's happening to Greenland's titanic ice sheet "has really surprised us," said Jensen of the University of Copenhagen.
She cited one huge glacier in west Greenland, at Jakobshavn, that in recent years has doubled its rate of dumping ice into the sea. Between melted land ice and heat expansion of ocean waters, the sea-level rise has increased from 1.8 millimeters a year to 3.4 millimeters (.07 inch a year to .13 inch) in the past 10 years.
Jensen said the biggest ice sheets — Greenland and West Antarctica — were already contributing 1 millimeter (.04 inch) a year to those rising sea levels. She said this could double within the next decade.
"With global warming, we have woken giants," she said.
And then there's that ice headed for Australia.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Gore's already been called out on that nonsense Sloww.
Inconvenient truth for Al Gore as his North Pole sums don't add up
Perhaps Mr Gore had felt the need to gild the lily to buttress resolve. But his speech was roundly criticised by members of the climate science community. “This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics,” Professor Jim Overland, a leading oceanographer at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.
“You really don’t need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic.”
Others said that, even if quoted correctly, Dr Maslowski’s six-year projection for near-ice-free conditions is at the extreme end of the scale. Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice.
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The embarrassing error cast another shadow over the conference after the controversy over the hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research UnitLast edited by HalfLotus; December 15, 2009, 05:45.
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What do tou guys think of the show's premise, that the warming may be natural and the money spent to cool the planet might be wasted?
Back in Oregon the temp might get up to 90F during the day and be 50F by the next morning. Heat radiates into space as you know. The show says the more heat there is the more that will radiate. But! It goes against all I've heard.Last edited by Lancer; December 15, 2009, 06:06.Long time member @ Apolyton
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The big problem when they continually exaggerate it to Doomsday material is that it eliminates any room for rational discussion. There can be no middle ground. This turns off a lot of people and I think it hurts their cause in the long run.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Originally posted by SlowwHand View PostAnd then there's that ice headed for Australia.
According to Al Gore "the interior of the earth is extremely hot - several million degrees" when in fact the temperature at the core maybe only as high as 70...
"the interior of the earth is extremely hot - several million degrees"
PS. Sorry, can't embed "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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This is the first I've heard of this...the planet has cooled over the last decade!
How They Faked Global Warming
By Larry Plachno
The Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in England has long been regarded as the leader in providing information on climate change. In November, e-mails, computer code and data from the CRU was made public by a whistleblower. All of this showed that information on global warming was being falsified and manipulated while true information and procedures were being hidden.
In the following weeks, people have been able to review this material including the UK’s Lord Monckton who wrote a 42-page report for the Science & Public Policy Institute on what he and others have found. What has emerged is a story of hidden agendas, political intrigue, international conspiracy, scientific corruption and contempt for the public trust. It has all of the elements that will eventually make a great movie.
What is now becoming increasingly obvious is that the data that was released from the Climate Research Unit was not random but carefully selected, probably over a period of time. It was also sent from one of the University’s servers. Hence, some people are suggesting that this was not the work of a random outside hacker but quite possibly an insider concerned over what was going on who gathered this information over a period of time.
Lord Monckton points out that the initial mistake of the whistleblower was to send this data to the mainstream media . . . where it was ignored. The BBC had a copy of this data for a month before the story broke on an obscure bulletin board in the United States but they did nothing. Most of the mainstream media has remained silent or nearly silent on this huge issue that touches every human on the earth. They have supported global warming for so long that they have egg on their face for being taken in. Readers should be thankful that the editors and management of The Prairie Advocate are willing to present the news instead of editing or ignoring it.
As ridiculous as it sounds, let me ask you how you would go about proving that elephants fly if you were paid handsomely to do this? You would only need a three-step procedure. Step one would be to collect data on the distance of elephants above the ground, and then “process” that information through a computer that added in a few extra feet. Step two would be to prevent others from seeing your computer programs or learning how they work. Step three would be to discredit or stop others from presenting conflicting data. This is basically what the team at the Climate Research Unit did with temperatures.
Changing data on temperatures is not new. A few years back, a few researchers tried to present what came to be known as the hockey stick graph. Looking like a hockey stick on its side, it supposedly showed hundreds of years of constant temperatures following by a sharp increase in temperature in modern times. This was later disproved because the manipulated data failed to account for the warm period in the Middle Ages, and only partial data was used for the warming part.
Most of the nearly 12,000 years since the last ice age have been warmer than at present. The Bronze Age, the Roman era and the medieval warm period were all warmer than today’s temperatures. In addition, the past four interglacial warm periods were as much as 11 degrees F warmer than the present. In spite of carbon and other gasses in our atmosphere, our current temperatures are cool compared to what the earth has seen in the past.
E-mails between team members released from the CRU at the University of East Anglia admitted that temperatures around the globe have been falling for almost a decade. Team members were unable to explain why temperatures were falling so they decided to conceal this fact.
The way they did this was to take basic temperature readings and “process” these figures through their computers using their own special programs. Data that started out showing level temperatures or even a cooling trend emerged from the computers showing warming,
Written in Fortran, the computer code for these programs shows some amazing and incriminating remarks from the programmers. One program note is so bold to state: “Apply a very artificial correction for decline.” In another program’s code, the programmer’s remark mentions a “fudge factor” to increase temperature data. In addition to increasing more recent temperatures, some of this “processing” also reduced older temperatures to artificially create more of a spread in temperatures over the years.
What all of this amounted to was simply a blatant manipulation of data to show what they wanted to prove regardless of the initial input or reality.
Professor Phil Jones, the man primarily responsible for the surface temperate datasets at CRU has subsequently stepped down. Prior to that he put in a great deal of effort to keep these programs and other data from being made public. There were e-mails between team members discussing how to keep data and computer codes from being disclosed. The reason is obvious; any competent researcher would realize that the computer code manipulated the temperatures and that all of the resulting information showing decades of temperatures on the earth was nothing more than a work of fiction.
Several other irregularities were also discovered in the CRU’s data collection procedures. The CRU used proxy data from tree rings to determine temperature in spite of warnings from the UN’s climate panel against doing this. Warmer weather is not the only reason for wider tree rings. Both wetter weather and CO2 in the atmosphere will cause wider tree rings. There was also a concern that the CRU had temperature stations located at airports, next to roads and buildings, close to air conditioning vents, and in industrial areas that were once rural. All of these locations could create a measurable increase in temperature readings.
An interesting side note brought out by Lord Monckton is the confusion about the correlation between temperatures and carbon in the atmosphere. A major premise of Global Warming theory is that increasing carbon in the atmosphere holds in heat and causes our earth to warm. However, the actual research shows that increases in carbon in our atmosphere follow warming rather than precede it.
The e-mails made public also show that the CRU team had two different standards regarding peer reviews of climate material. They tried to get their own material into the hands of friends and those who supported global warming. In spite of the fact that in many cases their methodology and computer code should have also been submitted and reviewed, it appears that the team was successful in keeping these items away from the reviewers. However, with material skeptical of global warming or disproving global warming, they tried to get it reviewed by global warming people so it would be discredited, ignored and go unpublished.
When all of this became public in November, it was disclosed that the original temperature readings at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia had been disposed of and were no longer available. In addition to being a valuable resource record of past temperatures actually recorded, the missing information prevented anyone from going back to check for accuracy. All that remained was the “processed” numbers.
Why has all of this happened? Like a best-selling novel, the motives are money and political control. One report indicates that the CRU received more than $23 million in taxpayer money to prove global warning. They certainly tried to do what they were paid to do.
However, the second part is that virtually all of this research money came from governments. In some cases, governments wanted to prove global warming in order to justify additional taxation and control through emission limitations, emissions trading schemes, or Cap and Trade programs. None of these programs are logical or justified unless you can prove that manmade global warming exists.
While the CRU e-mails show collusion with other temperature researchers in other countries, there has not yet been enough time to determine which temperature reports from which countries are accurate and which have been “processed.” Preliminary reports from New Zealand indicate that the “processed” data from their National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research shows global warming and is being used to encourage the introduction of an emissions trading scheme. However, the actual raw data shows that temperatures in New Zealand have remained stable for 150 years.
Unfortunately, temperature reporting in the United States is also compromised according to Lord Monckton. Temperature studies in the United States typically come from NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. It collaborates with NOAA’s National Climatic Data center that produces its own dataset, which is usually very close to that of NASA. The e-mails at CRU suggest that these groups have coordinated their results and coordinate how they present their results.
Lord Monckton goes on to explain that recently it was discovered that NASA was “processing” information from individual temperature stations to remove the urban heat island effect. But the effect of that “processing” actually enhanced the heat-island effect and increased the apparent rate of warming.
An example he gives is that raw data shows 100 years of cooling at the temperature station at Santa Rosa, California, which is the headquarters of NOAA. However, the “processed” data from that same station now shows warming.
Lord Monckton was originally scheduled to appear at a recent high profile global warming hearing on Capitol Hill and go head to head with former Vice President Al Gore on global warming. Lord Monckton was later informed that he would not be allowed to testify. This sounds remarkably like “our minds are made up, do not bother us with the truth.” It is noteworthy that while all of this discussion is going on in regard to how global warming was faked, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency cleared the way for regulation of greenhouse gasses in an obvious ploy to tax and regulate where no taxation and regulation is justified.
One remarkable development of all of this is that there may no longer be a current source of accurate global temperature data. There have been four such datasets, two from the earth’s surface and two from satellites.
The two surface datasets include the one from the CRU at the University of East Anglia in England and the NASA Goddard Institute-NOAA National Climatic Data Center datasets in the United States. The two satellite datasets come from Remote Sensing Systems, Inc. and the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
The CRU dataset in England has certainly been compromised and the original data is missing. Because of coordination with CRU and the “processing” of data, the American datasets are equally suspect. The satellites do not have thermometers and hence their sensing instruments must be calibrated. Unfortunately, they were calibrated using the information from the surface datasets. Hence, their data is questionable because it will show the same inaccurate statement of warming.
As suggested by Lord Monckton, what we badly need is an accurate, globally uniform, unbiased method of gathering temperature changes everywhere in the world. But we also need honest scientists.
Larry Plachno is a professional researcher, writer, editor and author with several books to his credit. His has written hundreds of articles that have appeared in several newspapers and magazines. For the past 30 years he has served as the editor for two national trade magazines. He resides in Polo, Illinois with his wife and family. His email is input@busmag.com.Long time member @ Apolyton
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