Sarah Palin: Completely bat****

[DinoDoc]

rationing the care of the old and infirm as a means to control health care costs which seems to be central to the Obama health plan.

I thought your theme in health care threads is that cost control is unposssible.

As proposed in the bills currently under serious consideration by the Dem leadership in Congress? I would agree with that reading of my posts.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actually this arguement at least wrt "death panels" has always been about the issue of rationing the care of the old and infirm as a means to control health care costs which seems to be central to the Obama health plan. This incident is only emblematic of that. The rhetorical flourish provided by "death panels" just made it amusing given the overheated reatction it seems to provoke here.

Considering that to the Palinites it has seemed to indicate a panel of doctors who decides who lives and dies by a thumbs up or down motion, it's more than just a rhetorical flourish.

Besides, rationing of care already happens. It is just insurance companies who decline treatments and drugs.

[Ramo]

As proposed in the bills currently under serious consideration by the Dem leadership in Congress? I would agree with that reading of my posts.

Your position is that:
a.) Medicare disbursement reform will be ineffective in reducing long term costs.
b.) Federally run insurance such as Medicare will cut back on reimbursing providers for marginal treatments to an excessive degree.

That is not internally consistent.

[Dinner]

When has that ever stopped DD?

[Kuciwalker]

It's very consistent, actually.

[DinoDoc]

As proposed in the bills currently under serious consideration by the Dem leadership in Congress? I would agree with that reading of my posts.

Your position is that:
a.) Medicare disbursement reform will be ineffective in reducing long term costs.

You seem to be as much of a moron as Oerdin.

b.) Federally run insurance such as Medicare will cut back on reimbursing providers for marginal treatments to an excessive degree.

More or less.

[Ramo]

You hurt my feelings.

It's very consistent, actually.

How can you possibly be cynical about cost savings from disbursement reform if you believe that it will be excessively aggressive? That's pretty much the definition of a contradiction.

[Kuciwalker]

One way they could be consistent off the top of my head:

Medicare disbursement reform will not be able to effectively deny specific treatments based on their cost, and will try to control costs by cutting back on the prices it pays so much that providers stop accepting Medicare.

[Kuciwalker]

Jesus Christ, Ramo, you are really thick.

[Ramo]

One way they could be consistent off the top of my head:

Medicare disbursement reform will not be able to effectively deny specific treatments based on their cost, and will try to control costs by cutting back on the prices it pays so much that providers stop accepting Medicare.

Yes, and that disbursement would be off the government tab. Other government agencies might have to pick up the tab, but probably to a limited extent (see how the uninsured are currently being funded). That's not the ideal solution. But you do cut costs.

[KrazyHorse]

One way they could be consistent off the top of my head:

Medicare disbursement reform will not be able to effectively deny specific treatments based on their cost, and will try to control costs by cutting back on the prices it pays so much that providers stop accepting Medicare.

This is the path it's been headed down.

[Ramo]

And way to build up a strawman.

Medicare disbursement reform will not be able to effectively deny specific treatments based on their cost

This is what I actually wrote:

b.) Federally run insurance such as Medicare will cut back on reimbursing providers for marginal treatments to an excessive degree.

Because this was referring to the example that Dino cited.

[KrazyHorse]

Calm down, Ramo. You beat up on DD here. that's pretty obvious. But that doesn't make you right on the larger issue.

[Drake Tungsten]

Did Ramo say anything worth un-ignoring him to read?

[KrazyHorse]

No, but DD didn't either.