Forgive those that trespass? Not in AZ

[zakubandit]

You misinterpreted some of those. Yea, that's me saying I know the Constitution, not that I have a doctorate on it. I know it because I have read and studied it, but I guess I don't know **** because I'm not a lawyer or physicist, so I can't must be stupid. The uniform, oath, etc. doesn't have to do with the Constitution's interpretation. It has to do with what you know about personal freedom, maintaining freedom for others, protecting those people and freedoms, and having the duty, honor, and personal courage to do all of that by choice.

In your 29 years of being, when have you ever fought for someone else? When have you sacrificed your life for something bigger than you? I wasn't able to sit around on my ass and have a "normal" life from HS graduation on, because I choose to serve in the bigger picture, I decided that maybe I could help make a difference. But I guess not, I guess that my time in the service just made me dumb to the likes of you. I guess that everything I thought I believed in was all just smoke and mirrors. I should just bow down to your all powerful all knowing might, Mr. Physicist.

[Darius871]

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[Solomwi]

I love words being put in my mouth, like how I at some point referred to myself as master of the Constitution because of my service. Someone wanna post my quote on when I said that?

Here you go:

Oh yea, KH... remember I did swear an Oath to protect the Constitution and the free people of the US. I know the Constitution, actually I have a copy of it on my desk at home, and a copy of the Bill of Rights, Articles of Confederation, and some of the Federalist papers. So you can question my knowledge of our founding documents all you want. I know what I am talking about.

The rest was just reasonable inference.

[KrazyHorse]

I know it

No.

Submitted as evidence:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?t=186475

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that your alleged military service didn't make you stupid. You were probably born that way.

[KrazyHorse]

Your constant, pathetic references to your status as an alleged veteran are becoming tiresome. I'm beginning to feel as though you've invested so much of your self-image in this because you've done nothing else noteworthy with your life, nor have you much chance of doing so.

[Kuciwalker]

d) Finally, I'm interested in knowing how, exactly, serving in the US military as a foreigner helps somebody become a US citizen. The biggest hurdle to gaining US citizenship is gaining lawful permanent residency (a green card). In order to join the US military, somebody must ALREADY have lawful permanent residency. If they want to naturalize at that point then all they have to do is to live for 5 years in the US. A term of enlistment accelerates this last step, but that seems like a poor reason to join the military. In fact, I suspect that you have little or no knowledge of what immigration to the US actually entails in this day and age. Unlike in previous times it is NOT as easy as showing up on a boat, filling out a form and paying a processing fee. Most illegal immigrants would find it impossible to gain lawful permanent residency to the US. Only relatives of US citizens and highly skilled applicants (for example, education BEYOND a bachelor's degree) have a good chance of immigrating. This may or may not be a justification to break the law as far as you are concerned. If you disagree with it as a justification then please feel free to say so. Do not simply post some boring-ass story about your gimpy great great grandfather on Ellis island.

IIRC, the military recently started a program where you can join in order to get a green card.

[Kuciwalker]

You misinterpreted some of those. Yea, that's me saying I know the Constitution, not that I have a doctorate on it. I know it because I have read and studied it, but I guess I don't know **** because I'm not a lawyer or physicist, so I can't must be stupid.

Actually, the reason we believe you don't know it is because I'VE EXPLICITLY REFUTED MANY OF YOUR CLAIMS WITH DIRECT REFERENCE TO THE TEXT.

[KrazyHorse]

I was aware they were thinking about it. Checking google it looks like they're allowing less than a thousand people in on it.

[zakubandit]

OK KH, you seem to be subject matter expert on...pretty much everything. You can question my knowledge of things I am damned sure about.

To keep in context, I lived around illegals and I had a couple jobs taken from illegals. Call me a racist against Mexicans, whatever. Do their own thing...wouldn't need much of an explanation if you ever lived around them.

What I know is that non-citizens served with me and gained citizenship. Oh ****, my bad, I must be lying here, because KH says its impossible to get residency. Oh wait no, maybe not because I am pretty sure that my short little buddy from El Salvador who spoke horrible English was serving with me when he got his citizenship. He managed it, so hey it must be true.

Now question my knowledge on something I know for fact, tell me if I am stupid here.
The M-4 carbine is a gas operated, magazine feed, air cooled, 5.56mm shoulder fired weapon. There are 3 selections; safe, semi, and burst. Max range 3,600M Point 500M Area 600M. 2,970 fps.

Or how bout MOPP, can you explain MOPP? Cause I know I can.
How about armored tactics, you know how to maneuver a tank through wooded, hilly terrain during heavy rain fall while evading the enemy and keeping yourself in a secure position? How to track a moving armored target through the GPS? Procedure for a breech?

And let me do it for you, since I know your going to ask what that stuff has to do with anything. You say I am stupid, well here is your chance to question me on what I know best. Mr. Physicist, trust me when I say I know more about combat and weapons than you do.

[zakubandit]

Nothing noteworthy with my life...guess service, having my son born, and teaching the English language to people who want to learn isn't noteworthy enough to you. I mean ****, your a physicist, you must have discovered all sorts of world changing crap. Invented all sorts of useful **** that everyone needs. Or studied so much of someone else work that your an expert on them. Yup I am so worthless I should have just let myself get shot instead of shooting back. **** this ****.

[Kuciwalker]

What I know is that non-citizens served with me and gained citizenship. Oh ****, my bad, I must be lying here, because KH says its impossible to get residency. Oh wait no, maybe not because I am pretty sure that my short little buddy from El Salvador who spoke horrible English was serving with me when he got his citizenship. He managed it, so hey it must be true.

CITIZENSHIP IS DIFFERENT FROM RESIDENCY.

To become a RESIDENT you have to get a green card. This is very difficult.

To become a CITIZEN you have to already be a RESIDENT. Then you have to live in the country for 5 years and take a test, OR join the military. After that you become a CITIZEN. That is, after you are already a RESIDENT.

[Darius871]

edit: damned page cut, I really want an answer to this

[KrazyHorse]

To keep in context, I lived around illegals and I had a couple jobs taken from illegals.

The saddest part is that you don't realize how pathetic it is for an American citizen, born and bred, to be replaceable by an illegal immigrant.



As for the rest, nobody cares about your skills with an M-4 or combat in an urban environment. They're useless in the real world. Nor do they give you any sort of authority (or, obviously, capacity) to discuss constitutional law, or anything else. Your blatant ignorance and stupidity have already disqualified you from this role.

[KrazyHorse]

Nothing noteworthy with my life...guess service, having my son born, and teaching the English language to people who want to learn isn't noteworthy enough to you.

Not really.

[KrazyHorse]

Yup I am so worthless I should have just let myself get shot instead of shooting back. **** this ****.

Now, now. You've provided a half dozen people with a couple of days of entertainment. That's something to be proud of, right?

Seriously, your constant references to military service make you look ridiculous. And the fact that you keep dredging it up after called on it is even sillier.