500 hundred years from now...

[Lorizael]

In 500 years people will be far enough removed from us to more accurately assess our failings. So they will judge us more as I judge us.

[Dauphin]

People still get upset at the notion that nations can have guilt over slavery, so good luck with that.

[Aeson]

I suppose you at least are clearly free of the vanity that future generations will view the world through a moral lens like your own.

I didn't say they would view it through a moral lens like my own. I said they will be disassociated from our time and us enough they can accept facts rather than get their panties in a bunch about feeling attacked by the facts.

Everything I've said we are doing, we are doing. They are facts. They are facts that reflect poorly on us even by general modern morality. Which is why you are emotionally triggered to try to obfuscate, distract from, and whitewash the facts. It implicates you and your in-group.

They will not have that emotional proximity to defend. It will be easier for them to accept the facts.

My statement about myself is also factual. I do not have that emotional proximity to defend. Whether that's positive or negative is matter of perspective and situation. Most people, including psychologists and psychiatrists I've had, would view it as a psychological disorder.

[Lorizael]

My statement about myself is also factual. I do not have that emotional proximity to defend. Whether that's positive or negative is matter of perspective and situation. Most people, including psychologists and psychiatrists I've had, would view it as a psychological disorder.

[Aeson]

People still get upset at the notion that nations can have guilt over slavery, so good luck with that.

It proves my point.

Most people can condemn slavery. Either separated by time or distance. They can't accept responsibility for their own role in whether or not the injustices caused by slavery persist in their time/locality.

[Dauphin]

Most people probably condemned slavery throughout the last 500 years. Sublimus Deus and all that. The people in charge just happened to be those ones who wanted slavery. Just like it's the people in charge today that want low taxes and to hold all the wealth.

My point was that people inherit their past at a national psyche level, so i don't think 500 years of history will change visceral feelings. The number of people who idealize WW2 blitz spirit and how they whooped the Germans, despite not being born until the 1970s. The number of people who re-enact the American Civil War. The number of people who join the Orange walk. And well, Israel. Etc.

[Aeson]

Most people probably condemned slavery throughout the last 500 years. Sublimus Deus and all that. The people in charge just happened to be those ones who wanted slavery. Just like it's the people in charge today that want low taxes and to hold all the wealth.

My point was that people inherit their past at a national psyche level, so i don't think 500 years of history will change visceral feelings. The number of people who idealize WW2 blitz spirit and how they whooped the Germans, despite not being born until the 1970s. The number of people who re-enact the American Civil War. The number of people who join the Orange walk. And well, Israel. Etc.

Sublimus Deus didn't decry slavery as an institution. It excepted Native Americans. It further reinforced slavery of Africans, as the reasoning for excepting Native Americans (basically, "they're humans") wasn't extended to Africans.

Most of those examples are very recent and information was heavily throttled until very recently.

Growing up in the 80s I had never heard of operation paperclip, nor was able to read Columbus' own diaries or contemporary accounts, etc. We were given a fantasy story as "history" in school and even encyclopedias. Columbus discovered America and those seeking freedom came over and had Thanksgiving. Now we fight for freedom and justice. All those claims about America doing deplorable things are "conspiracy theories".

Now the absurdity of those accounts is readily apparent from the facts that are easily accessible. We have the government's own records that we overthrew foreign governments, ran drugs into black communities, experimented on unknowing civilians, etc. More is coming out all the time.

More and more people are seeing through the propaganda. While it's possible in the future that will reverse, information become unavailable, the future having access to our current information was a given in the OP's phrasing.