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the other things russia said,

I agree with

yugoslavia

100% agree with them

so, the narative is if russia violated international law, the west did it 100%.

and if the west dind't neither did russia.

That's a weird position.

For one thing, "the west" has not annexed any part of what was once Yugoslavia, so right there you can spot at least once big difference between what the wear did and what Russia did (and is still trying to do).

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you're thinking maybe like a westerner that's why you didn't udnerstand.


do you remember the clash of civilizations, a now defunkt so called theory that said that after the collapse of the soviet union the world would be divided based on "culture" with the west being of ofurse the best yada yada.

this annoyed us because it placed us on the non democratic "slaivc" (for some reason) orthodox region, where democracy didn't exist.


russians din't have such annoyances and were happy to nbe something else than the west (even if it meant not being a democracy)


the fact that kosovo was forcefully detached from serbia and was thus placed under "Western" control (never mind it has become ablack hole of crime and vilany, albanian style) was enough to count as occupation.

that is the real meaning of what russia was saying


now for the legal formal reason, this is that: NATO completely violated its mandate as a defensive mechanism and attacked a soveriegn coyntry (serbia). This is absolutely true and correct.

the west forcefully chnaged the borders of a soveriegn country by force. this is also correct.

bsically that was ther greek position since ever maybe the russian too who knows.

it doesn't matter it is a correct position.

you can't say to russia abide by international law, if you break it first. (as the west).


Also, there are other way more nefarious explanations as to why NATO (minus Greece which actively sabotaged and undermined it in that instance) attacked Yugoslavia. Most of which are defintely up for debate

It's a position of Putin to not be "the west" but it is a nonsensical one. I mean look at the contributions of Russia to western society are massive - scientifically, culturally. It's just that Putin wants to avoid scrutiny and try and shift the cultural focus. But Russia is a slavic people, most of whom are in the EU, and also descended from Greek culture which is one of the originators of what we consider to be Western society. And hopefully once Putin is gone and this regime is on its knees and humilated Russia can begin the journey that Germany did and join the fold where it should be.

This is the thing, my hatred of the Russian regime doesn't mean I hate Russia. This whole sordid business actually makes me quite sad.

And Ukraine is complicated. When Russia clearly interfered in the Ukrainian election to get Yanukovich elected, to pull Ukraine in their direction, geopolitically speaking, what did you expect to happen? And I don't doubt there has been Western assistance in this case but as always, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And I don't get the impression that, in hindsight, Ukraine made the wrong decision. They have some level of pride and this war, awful as it is, would be better than going to same way as Belarus...a vassal state.

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