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  • Dead or Alive?

    So how can the Dems get back into the "game" (a rather unfitting term, but oh well)

    One idea is to do nothing, and let the Trump admin shoot themselves into all available feet until the people are fed up with it competely, as laid out here:


    For Round 2 in office, instead of prioritizing the problems he campaigned on — public safety, immigration and the border and, most of all, the economy — President Trump is hellbent on dismantling the federal government. To accomplish this, he has put his faith in the most incompetent cabinet in modern history: a health and human services secretary who is already targeting federal vaccination efforts and dumped a bear carcass in Central Park as a fun prank at age 60, a director of national intelligence who was devoted to an allegedly abusive yoga-centered cult, a W.W.E. tycoon turned head of Department of Education and a former cable news talking head as defense secretary. Which will result in one clear thing: disorder. There will probably be more enormous tax cuts for the wealthy and Medicaid cuts hitting a lot of other people, but there is nothing the American public despises more than disorder and a broken economy.

    And there’s nothing Democrats can legitimately do to stop it, even if we wanted to.

    With no clear leader to voice our opposition and no control in any branch of government, it’s time for Democrats to embark on the most daring political maneuver in the history of our party: roll over and play dead. Allow the Republicans to crumble beneath their own weight and make the American people miss us. Only until the Trump administration has spiraled into the low 40s or high 30s in public approval polling percentages should we make like a pack of hyenas and go for the jugular. Until then, I’m calling for a strategic political retreat.

    The Army has a term for this: tactical pause. It’s a vision move — get out of the hour-to-hour, day-to-day combat where one side (ours) is largely playing defense and struggling to defend politically charged positions (like explaining D.E.I. or persuading voters to care about foreign aid) and take time to regroup, look forward and make decisions about where we want to get to over the next two years. I don’t think a lot of Americans are waiting around for us to use the same old arguments and same old language to pile on Donald Trump. They’re tired of it, and our Democratic voters are tired of watching us moan and groan to cover up our impotency out of power. They want us to be smarter than that.
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    Emphasis mine, snipsnapped from the longer NYT piece at:

    There’s nothing Democrats can legitimately do to stop Trump, so we need a tactical pause in our fight to plan for the future.


    Do you agree with this idea, or what alternative approach would you like to see?

    Someone who doesn't agree is Bernie Sanders, together with AOC, but I have no idea if the two can be a real alternative...

    What's the forum wisdom here?
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  • #2
    i think they have a sport called baseball there


    you wait for the ball to come to the right height in front of you and then you wack it

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    • #3
      Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016. AOC would be a good choice for 2028. They are right that we must resist.

      But with how Trump is destroying the US, any D will beat any R in 2028 if there's a fair election. Both houses will shift blue substantially in 2026. So Schumer is "right" about how it will play out. Just wrong about what should have been done. Schumer sold out the country.

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      • #4
        Personally I don't agree with the theory of the mature fruit (that will fall by itslef from the tree)

        that is because even if this does happen in the end, you have a moral responsibility to try and minimize damage to your country as soon as humanly possible

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        • #5
          For Round 2 in office, instead of prioritizing the problems he campaigned on — public safety, immigration and the border and, most of all, the economy — President Trump is hellbent on dismantling the federal government. To accomplish this, he has put his faith in the most incompetent cabinet in modern history: a health and human services secretary who is already targeting federal vaccination efforts and dumped a bear carcass in Central Park as a fun prank at age 60, a director of national intelligence who was devoted to an allegedly abusive yoga-centered cult, a W.W.E. tycoon turned head of Department of Education and a former cable news talking head as defense secretary. Which will result in one clear thing: disorder. There will probably be more enormous tax cuts for the wealthy and Medicaid cuts hitting a lot of other people, but there is nothing the American public despises more than disorder and a broken economy.​


          sorry but after reading this I don 't think there is any hope for that country and can only bask at the irrevocabvle damage unchained capitalism can do to human society

          (not playing hugher than thou we all have our problems but I think that america has managed to humiliate itself in the world stage to such a degree that is unfathomable)

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          • #6
            For Round 2 in office, instead of prioritizing the problems he campaigned on — public safety, immigration and the border and, most of all, the economy — President Trump is hellbent on dismantling he federal government. To accomplish this, he has put his faith in the most incompetent cabinet in modern history: a health and human services secretary who is already targeting federal vaccination efforts and dumped a bear carcass in Central Park as a fun prank at age 60, a director of national intelligence who was devoted to an allegedly abusive yoga-centered cult, a W.W.E. tycoon turned head of Department of Education and a former cable news talking head as defense secretary. Which will result in one clear thing: disorder. There will probably be more enormous tax cuts for the wealthy and Medicaid cuts hitting a lot of other people, but there is nothing the American public despises more than disorder and a broken economy.​

            sorry but after reading this I don 't think there is any hope for that country and can only bask at the irrevocabvle damage unchained capitalism can do to human society

            (not playing hugher than thou we all have our problems but I think that america has managed to humiliate itself in the world stage to such a degree that is unfathomable)​

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aeson View Post
              Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016. AOC would be a good choice for 2028. They are right that we must resist.

              But with how Trump is destroying the US, any D will beat any R in 2028 if there's a fair election. Both houses will shift blue substantially in 2026. So Schumer is "right" about how it will play out. Just wrong about what should have been done. Schumer sold out the country.
              AOC? You must eat a lot of peyote.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #8
                That's you, chief.
                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post

                  AOC? You must eat a lot of peyote.
                  The only downside to AOC as a candidate is losing the misogynistic vote.

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                  • #10
                    She's an uneducated idiot.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      Even if true, that's clearly not a block to becoming President.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                        She's an uneducated idiot.
                        "Uneducated" at Boston College with honors.

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