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How anyone who has seen the footage of the incident can claim it was domestic terrorism by the deceased, or proportionate self-defence by the agent, baffles me. Are the likes of Noem, Trump and Vance hoping people won't actually look at it, and instead rely on their word for it?
Or is the country so ****ed up that they can no longer see reality, only the narrative they want to see?
One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
The hope is that people will stop looking at reality and instead just blindly accept whatever Trump/MAGA asserts.
Total 1984/Orwell approach (as noted below by BE).
How anyone who has seen the footage of the incident can claim it was domestic terrorism by the deceased, or proportionate self-defence by the agent, baffles me. Are the likes of Noem, Trump and Vance hoping people won't actually look at it, and instead rely on their word for it?
Or is the country so ****ed up that they can no longer see reality, only the narrative they want to see?
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!
The truth just doesn't matter. Their side is right and we need ICE protecting us from the evil fentanyl gangs, so if you admit the murder was unjust, you weaken the side that stands for good and justice and security. So either you take Trump's word for it and never look or you look but latch onto the tiniest shred of ambiguity to give you cover for believing the "domestic terrorism" angle and try not to think about it too hard or you know deep down it was wrong but so what if it's the price we have to pay to keep our children safe.
We all do this, of course. These aren't unique cognitive phenomena. But currently one side is doing it in support of mass deportation and persecution of minorities, so **** 'em.
Looks like two more people shot in Portland. CBP, rather than ICE this time?
Originally posted by CBC
U.S. federal agents shoot 2 in Portland, Ore., police say
U.S. federal agents shot two people in Portland, Ore., this afternoon, police said, adding that they were taken to hospital and their conditions were not known.
An ABC News affiliate reported that the agents involved in the shooting were U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents and the FBI was leading a probe. CBP and ICE both fall under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
"Their [people who were shot] conditions are unknown. Officers have determined the two people were injured in the shooting involving federal agents," the Portland Police Bureau said in a statement.
"We understand the heightened emotion and tension many are feeling in the wake of the shooting in Minneapolis, but I am asking the community to remain calm as we work to learn more," Police Chief Bob Day said.
The statement said city police were not involved in the incident.
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!
According to U.S. Border Patrol, a Venezuelan illegal immigrant linked to the Tren de Aragua gang's prostitution operations attempted to run over agents with a vehicle during a targeted stop in Portland, prompting agents to shoot in self-defense.
She spent all day stalking, harassing, and obstructing the officers in their official duties. She was intentionally blocking the road to try to box them in so a mob of agitators could surround them. She ignored lawful orders to exit the vehicle as part of the arrest process for obstruction (a federal felony with up to five years in prison). The officer was standing in the front and to the right of the SUV, she backs the car up aiming it at the officer so he is now directly in front of the vehicle even though he didn't move, then she floors it. Very clear cut self defense from the perspective of a reasonable person.
Sounds like a stock response. The big bad Venezuelan gang is behind it.
May well be true, but hard to take such words as true without verification unfortunately. Used to be you could give skeptical credence to the statements of law enforcement, but now that’s not so easy.
One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
I predict that before Trump's second term is done, at least one American citizen will be killed by ICE or some other part of DHS during the execution of his mass deportations.
And then you very quickly confirmed my second prediction, you cowardly fascist ****:
My next prediction: vile, unrepentant, MAGA ****heads will lose exactly zero sleep over this and very easily convince themselves she deserved it, she was in the wrong, she should have just followed orders, etc., without a hint of cognitive dissonance in the juxtaposition between that and what they said yesterday about Ashli Babbitt because they are weak, pathetic, scared losers who love the taste of boot.
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!
I wonder how strong a claim lack of or inadequate training would be. Law enforcement are trained to not shoot at moving vehicles (including loss of control by the driver causing more risk), ans only shoot if no alternative (like stepping aside, which he clearly could and did do). Officers are also trained to not stand in front of vehicles that pose a potential risk such as ramming. That the officer did not follow such training may imply he never received it, and be an argument for diminished responsibility? Don’t know.
One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
Minnesota officials say FBI blocked their access to ICE shooting probe
Minnesota officials say the FBI has blocked their access to an investigation into the fatal shooting of a woman by a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent.
People have taken to the streets of Minneapolis to protest the killing of 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good, who died on Wednesday after being shot in her car.
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has accused the Trump administration of blocking state officials from involvement in the case, but the US vice-president said the investigation is a federal issue.
Officials have offered differing accounts of the incident, with the Trump administration claiming the ICE agent was acting in self defence, while local officials say the woman posed no danger.
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has claimed the ICE agent shot Good multiple times because she was trying to run over the officer in her car.
The US Federal Bureau of Investigation said it would investigate the incident.
Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) said the FBI had initially agreed to a joint investigation with state officials but then reversed course and denied the state access to materials and evidence.
Without the ability to access all the necessary case materials and evidence, the BCA has "reluctantly withdrawn" from the investigation, the BCA's superintendent Drew Evans said in a statement.
Speaking at a news conference on Thursday, Walz said he was worried the federal government would not be able to carry out an unbiased investigation.
"It feels now that Minnesota has been taken out of the investigation," Walz said. "It feels very, very difficult that we will get a fair outcome."
Vice President JD Vance told reporters on Thursday that the investigation into the shooting was a federal issue, arguing it would go against precedent for a local official to be involved in prosecuting the case.
Videos of the incident show ICE agents approaching a car which is in the middle of the street, and tell the woman behind the wheel to get out of the SUV. One of the agents tugs at the driver's side door handle.
As the vehicle attempts to drive off, one of the agents points their gun at the driver and several shots are heard.
The car then continues to drive away from the officer and crashes into the side of the street.
At the scene of the crash on Thursday, blood from the shooting could still be seen in the snow. People set up a vigil at the site to honour Good, lining the bank with candles and roses.
Hundreds of demonstrators showed up throughout the day, shouting insults at ICE and offering their neighbours coffee on the cold winter day.
Susie Hawyard, a minister, said she went to the scene of the shooting as soon as she heard the news to verify "with my own eyes" what happened.
"I was horrified," she said. "I saw the car, I saw Renee's car, I saw Renee's blood."
Protesters also gathered at a federal building in Minneapolis early Thursday morning, where they were met with armed officers. The protests remained largely peaceful there, as residents expressed their anger over the killing of Good.
"They cannot get away with killing someone. There has to be consequences for actions," said Gavin, one of dozens of people outside the federal building.
Those who knew Good said she was a poet and guitarist who had just moved to the city of Minneapolis.
Her mother, Donna Ganger, told the Minnesota Star Tribune that her daughter was "probably terrified" during the confrontation with officers that saw her fatally shot.
"She was extremely compassionate," Ganger told the daily newspaper. "She's taken care of people all her life. She was loving, forgiving and affectionate. She was an amazing human being."
Even those who did not know Good said they were touched by her death.
"Renee was everything that was good about our community," said Nimco Ahmad, a Somali immigrant who grew up just blocks from the incident.
Ahmad said she and others were gathered to help ensure justice would be secured for Good.
The exclusion of state authorities from the probe into Good's killing is likely to undermine public trust, said Edward Maguire, a criminology professor at Arizona State University.
"From a criminological perspective, jurisdictional claims in cases like this are often less about legal requirements and more about political efforts to control the investigation and shape its outcome," he said.
But the state could still file criminal charges later against the federal officer who killed Good, said Bryna Godar, a staff attorney with the State Democracy Research Initiative at the University of Wisconsin Law School.
Protests over the killing of Renee Good took place in Houston, Cincinnati, Washington DC and Philadelphia.
Minnesota does have jurisdiction over case, expert says
Earlier today, Homeland Security secretary Kristi Noem said Minnesota's local authorities will not be included in the FBI investigation because, she said, they have "no jurisdiction" in the case.
One legal expert tells the BBC that that he thinks that statement is "preposterous".
"Of course Minnesota authorities have jurisdiction over an investigation, because what is to be investigated is violations of state homicide laws," saysSubodh Chandra, a civil rights litigator and former federal prosecutor.
"The fact that it's a federal official doing it doesn't immunise that official from the jurisdiction of local law enforcement," Chandra says. "There is no such legal principle."
Chandra said that even without federal cooperation and sharing of case materials, Minnesota authorities can still pursue their own investigation into the incident.
Local officials accuse immigration agents of "recklessly using power", as federal authorities say the officer fired shots in self-defence.
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!
To all those angry at president Trump
He is still winning and totally unbothered
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How anyone who has seen the footage of the incident can claim it was domestic terrorism by the deceased, or proportionate self-defence by the agent, baffles me.
Esp. the part where you clearly see the front wheel(s) of the car steering away from the ICE guy.
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