BIOLOGICAL MEN

[Bereta_Eder]

hmm thorn made me aware of the problems I didn't even know existed. How to pee if you're in the cracks between male and female and don't want to be attacked

Never thought going to the toilet could be so dangerous ( barring extreme constipation of course)


Now that I think about it how come hostels have mixed rooms?

I was in one and was just puting my pants on and suddendly a girl just comes in the room as I was there with my shlomng out. I thought we were all guys wtf

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Wow. Forgot about this thread. Yeah, I still drink. Define what a woman is. Most people already know. Hint, there are two types of bathrooms.

[Lorizael]

Ooo, I'm sorry, but...

Wow. Forgot about this thread. Yeah, I still drink. Define what a woman is. Most people already know. Hint, there are two types of bathrooms.

...is not, in fact, the definition of a "biological man." You have now lost the debate twice.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Define woman. School me.

[Lorizael]

There is not a finite, logically coherent list of necessary and sufficient conditions for uniquely identifying the set of all women.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

There is not a finite, logically coherent list of necessary and sufficient conditions for uniquely identifying the set of all women.

So you can't tell me the difference.

[Lorizael]

Correct. Can you?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Yes. Chromosomes. Two different kinds. X and Y. XY, you are male. XX you are female.

Bruce Jenner is a male. He has changed his physical body... but still a dude.

Chromosomes are the genetic elements that define persons biological sex. Male or female.

you are born male or female. You can't change that.

You can identify how ever you like.

[Lorizael]

If you have XY chromosomes, should you always and only be able to participate in men's sports? If you have XX chromosomes, should you always and only be able to use women's bathrooms?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Now you're getting it! That's why we call it women's leage and women's restroom. And women's rights!

[Lorizael]

Cool. And if you have XY chromosomes but develop a vagina rather than testes and penis and exit puberty with female secondary sex characteristics, should you nevertheless be required to only participate in men's sports? And if you have XX chromosomes but nevertheless do develop testes, penis, and secondary male characteristics, should you be required to only use the women's bathroom?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Swyer syndrome perhaps is what you're referring to. That person would get a waver. That covers the fewer than 50 cases in 2018. Easier than all this woke crap. And people would support someone with a legit condition. I would.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Now for the other 99.9999% of us. Yes to XY and XX.

[giblets]

Biologically male means having XY chromosomes except when it doesn't. And we can't count Caitlyn Jenner as an exception because MWHC doesn't feel like doing so.

[Lorizael]

It refers to any number of disorders of sexual development. There are quite a number of them and the population with them comprise significantly more than 0.0001% of the population. Like probably ten thousand times more than that.

But also, unless people with disorders of sexual development have medical problems, they can quite easily go "undiagnosed" or at least undetected by the general population. Especially if they're born with ambiguous genitalia and one set is surgically removed or altered immediately after birth.

If someone is born with XY chromosomes but develops in an unremarkable way with a vagina and female secondary sexual characteristics, when would there ever be a time, opportunity, or need to get a "wavier"? We don't just perform chromosome tests on people. Such a person would simply believe they were biologically female. And if you saw them, you'd believe it, too. There are 8 billion people on Earth. How many times do you think you've randomly run across such a person and never even known it? Would you have held the door open for them, called them "ma'am"? What if you're a straight guy and you're attracted to them? Are you still straight?