The Israeli and US Genocide Double Act Thread

[giblets]

they don't have slaves but they do have populations living in territories they militarily control and for which no other state is deemed to enjoy sovereignty over. Populations for whom Israel recognizes no rights as citizens of any state including Israel and for which Israel apparently accepts no responsibility to guarantee any rights for. I definitely agree that Israel needs to work non stop on a a remedy for the situation. Leaving Gaza and the West Bank as a giant sized Gitmo is totally unacceptable.

The populations they militarily control also happen to be a source of cheap labor.

[Geronimo]

The populations they militarily control also happen to be a source of cheap labor.

That's a total non factor or they'd be taking huge numbers of them out of Gaza into Israel on some kind work visa program

[N35t0r]

The original Palestinian use for the phrase was to call for a single democratic state for Arabs and Jews, as a call for peace and equality.


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Oh, you **** off as well, the original (and current) Palestinian use of the phrase was 90+% of the time a call for exterminating/expelling the state of Israel and most/all Jews, just like they were in most of the middle east and north Africa following the creation of the state of Israel.

[N35t0r]

That's a total non factor or they'd be taking huge numbers of them out of Gaza into Israel on some kind work visa program

There were almost 20k gazans with work permits before the war. For the West Bank, the total goes up to 150k.
That's not counting the over 1000 industrial plants owned and operated by Israeli businesses in the West Bank, where more than two thirds of the employees (around 20k more) are Palestinian.

That's ~3% of the current population of Israel.

In comparison, the US granted less than 300k H-2 visas (A and B) in 2020 (last year I could quickly find data on), that's less than 1‰ of the US population.

[Geronimo]

There were almost 20k gazans with work permits before the war. For the West Bank, the total goes up to 150k.
That's not counting the over 1000 industrial plants owned and operated by Israeli businesses in the West Bank, where more than two thirds of the employees (around 20k more) are Palestinian.

That's ~3% of the current population of Israel.

In comparison, the US granted less than 300k H-2 visas (A and B) in 2020 (last year I could quickly find data on), that's less than 1‰ of the US population.

The numbers you list are economically significant especially for Gaza and certainly for Israel as well but 20k Gazans working in Israel under those conditions is demographically much less significant. If 20k Gazans and 170k additional Palestinians were "enslaved" it seems especially curious that the "slave revolt" originated in Gaza rather than the West Bank.

More importantly, the entire arrangement doesn't really allow a means of extracting forced labor. The "bondage" these wage slaves endure needs to be compared to that experienced by actual slaves.

So not slavery right? 7th of Oct was clearly not a slave revolt. Calling it such is a serious insult to any actual slave who has ever lived.

It was clearly terrorism and more charitably characterized as a political insurrection but as a "slave revolt" would be a loathsome mis-characterization.

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[MOBIUS]

Oh, you **** off as well, the original (and current) Palestinian use of the phrase was 90+% of the time a call for exterminating/expelling the state of Israel and most/all Jews, just like they were in most of the middle east and north Africa following the creation of the state of Israel.

Why am I surrounded by amateurs...? 🙄

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/from-the-river-to-the-sea-where-does-the-slogan-come-from-and-what-does-it-mean-israel-palestine

[Geronimo]

Why am I surrounded by amateurs...? 🙄

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rael-palestine

your link proves and settles nothing.. It certainly fails to refute N35t0r​'s post. Do you claim that Palestinian-American writer Yousef Munayyer somehow has the last word on this?