Trump.

[WigIaf]

federal law enforcement salaries should be sliced in half overnight

wave a pen and save the nation

[WigIaf]

the whole bunch of them is a barrel full of wasted blood and treasure

cut their pay!

[WigIaf]

and good luck investigating the secret service
the fbi is a childlike organization with childlike humans who tell very childlike lies

the fbi should also maximize responsibility
traitors on duty telling lies
that's who they are

[WigIaf]

american law enforcement is a very low quality of human being
completely stupid and illiterate
they aren't high school graduates
and feds are worse

[WigIaf]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/secret-service-denied-requests-security-resources-trump-events-rcna162888

the secret service is a bunch of federal liars who lie on the federal dime
they lie to congress
they lie to the american people
they are a junkie group of people
no talent
no skill
and they don't really love america
they don't have the capacity to love a country
or anything

my only hope is that those people maximize responsibility

[Geronimo]

More added to the national debt. From here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...harts-compare/

https://budget.house.gov/press-release/fact-check-alert-debunking-crfbs-analysis-of-trump-and-biden-impacts-on-the-national-debt

Of course the budget committee is hardly non partisan but I'm interested in the rebuttal if only with the assumption that if they can't refute the CRFB then it's safer to run with the findings. I'm undecided at this point. It's frustrating because I regard the level of debt and overall fiscal responsibility to be the most important issue for a US president. Partly because it easily becomes the most difficult to fix and partly because when it hits the fan it takes out everything else.

[Geronimo]

Same is true for the word penis.

I suspect the VP candidate with the last name Penis has long since changed their name after a few disappointments at the polls.

[Dauphin]

Same is true for the word penis.

[Geronimo]

Using facts is unfair
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Vance rhymes with Pence

And only has to change 2 letters on signs and stickers!

[BeBMan]

Using facts is unfair
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Why did Trump need to pick a new VP? Wasn't the one Trump ordered his mob to attack available? They hunted him down, but they didn't kill him.

Vance rhymes with Pence

[Lorizael]

What's the source for Trump presiding over more spending than Biden or more debt added?

More added to the national debt. From here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...harts-compare/

[Jon Miller]

According to https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/amer...national-debt/, in 2020, debt to GDP was 127%. It has sense dropped to 123%. That includes Covid spending.

I remember seeing that Trump's tax cuts actually added a huge amount to the future debt, but only after he left office.

JM

[Uncle Sparky]

Why did Trump need to pick a new VP? Wasn't the one Trump ordered his mob to attack available? They hunted him down, but they didn't kill him.

[Geronimo]

What's the source for Trump presiding over more spending than Biden or more debt added?

[Lorizael]

Well, first, if that kid had succeeded, Biden would be presiding over the country from a bunker in an undisclosed location right now. There is absolutely no chance Trumpists would believe that the kid was acting alone, especially in light of the gross incompetence of the secret service, and we would be gearing up for the largest spasm of political violence we've seen in my lifetime at the very least. The question would be whether there even was an election at all at that point, and if so who would participate in or honor it, and how much of the country would be on fire or occupied by militias or separatist elements of the armed forces come November. As a friend of mine put it, we all dodged a bullet last week.

Yeah, that's what I said. It would have been messy and bad. The difference is the bullet we dodged last week appears to have been fired by a solitary angry depressed loner, whereas the bullet we dodged on January 6 was fired by Trump and his croniest of cronies. But hey, we've proven over and over again we're not going to do anything about gun violence, so I guess it only make sense we wouldn't try to prevent another January 6, either.

What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't really matter who gets labeled "enemies of democracy," because all that's downstream of the fundamental problem of a breakdown in trust, which in turn is downstream of the political bifurcation of America that's been going on since the late eighties or so. You think ... whatever-the-hell-1/6-was is worse than blatantly weaponizing the courts against a candidate for political purposes; it's apples and oranges, but for the sake of argument let's say you're right. What are we supposed to be doing about it? Voting against him? Sure. I'm certainly not going to vote for the galoot, but I intend to write-in, because Biden is frankly not an acceptable candidate either and the LP I nominally associate with is a dumpster fire. It doesn't matter anyway because I'm in Florida.

"Oh no, our raft fell apart and we're heading for that waterfall!"

"Tsk tsk, that's all downstream of poor raft maintenance."

Unless something changes drastically we will see another Trump term, by legitimate electoral vote, and I expect it will be about as pathetic and unproductive as the first one.

Trump did a lot of bad, man. Yes, he wasn't Hitler reincarnated, but he did a lot of bad.

I'm mildly hopeful that he might waste slightly less money than Biden, albeit mostly due to congressional obstruction and his own incompetence.

Trump added more to the national debt than Biden did, with or without counting pandemic-related borrowing.