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  • #31
    Canada and Siberia will be the breadbasket of the world and Antarctica will become the most populated continent. Jungle will overtake the southern US and Florida will be deluged by the ocean. People will move to the Himalaya's for the clean air and mild climate.
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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    • #32
      Easy. Blame Trump. Continue on with your lives as if nothing is an issue.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
        The rate of warming in the past decades is much faster than what happened back then.
        Greenland warmed ~10 C in a few decades when the Younger Dryas ended

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Geronimo View Post

          I didn't say global warming caused the habit loss, I said habitat loss has made species adaptation to climate change nearly impossible in most cases. Farmland is not habitat for the overwhelming majority of megafauna and not even for most invertebrates. Also, the rate of warming experienced then could be exceeded by a methane spike.
          Global warming expands habitat

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          • pchang
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            Unless you like it cold

        • #35
          Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

          Greenland warmed ~10 C in a few decades when the Younger Dryas ended
          Yeah, and?
          Indifference is Bliss

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          • #36
            Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

            Global warming expands habitat
            Let the walruses know, they don't seem to have gotten the memo.
            Indifference is Bliss

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            • #37
              Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

              Global warming expands habitat
              The overwhelming majority of species don't get to live globally and farmland blocks geographical drift of species populations.

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              • #38
                Interesting presentation, although a bit monotone and with some dry german humor (almost as dry as some parts of Antarctica), but then again she is german

                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #39
                  German humour is no laughing matter.
                  One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                  • #40
                    Originally posted by Geronimo View Post

                    The overwhelming majority of species don't get to live globally and farmland blocks geographical drift of species populations.
                    global warming expands the range of species toward the poles and we cant block animals with farmland

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                    • #41
                      Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

                      global warming expands the range of species toward the poles and we cant block animals with farmland
                      Yes we can and do when talking about breeding populations. Even the ones that do it better than others will struggle to cross gaps often hundreds of miles across to the nearest wild habitat to the north which would then be too far north to serve as a new home before the old one is too warm for them and their codependent ecosystems.

                      Continuous habitat is needed. Not a few animals leaking into the neighboring farmscape.
                      Last edited by Geronimo; August 5, 2023, 04:11. Reason: More

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                      • Berzerker
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                        I live in farm country, what animals are being blocked? Virtually all of the farms around here are broken up into small plots with forest and native grass everywhere in between

                      • Geronimo
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                        Overwhelming majority of carnivores and animals that tend to become road kill because they aren't shy enough or never get far in the farmland in the first place because they are too shy to do so. What you see in your farmland are the few creatures that adapted to all those demands. You don't see all the recently extinct species do you?

                    • #42
                      Also, the modern farming industry has a lot of both infrastructure set up to support it, and access to many generations of acquired knowledge about the local conditions.

                      Even if a warming world opens up more land in Siberia and northern Canada than is lost elsewhere, it will not be possible to magically relocate agriculture there. Setting up all the infrastructure alone would be prohibitively expensive, but you also need to somehow convince a lot of people to relocate, which is not something that is easy or lacking in consequences.
                      Most agricultural production today also depends on very fertile soils. Whatever the permafrost turns into once thawed will need a lot of work, and either a lot of money or time to reach comparable conditions.

                      Finally, even if you managed to do all of the above successfully, you then need to ship the food to the people. Something else the middle of Siberia is not famous for? It's excellent network of transport infrastructure.

                      And all of this doesn't even consider whatever the resulting weather patterns will mean for all this land.
                      Indifference is Bliss

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                      • #43
                        Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
                        Also, the modern farming industry has a lot of both infrastructure set up to support it, and access to many generations of acquired knowledge about the local conditions.

                        Even if a warming world opens up more land in Siberia and northern Canada than is lost elsewhere, it will not be possible to magically relocate agriculture there. Setting up all the infrastructure alone would be prohibitively expensive, but you also need to somehow convince a lot of people to relocate, which is not something that is easy or lacking in consequences.
                        Most agricultural production today also depends on very fertile soils. Whatever the permafrost turns into once thawed will need a lot of work, and either a lot of money or time to reach comparable conditions.

                        Finally, even if you managed to do all of the above successfully, you then need to ship the food to the people. Something else the middle of Siberia is not famous for? It's excellent network of transport infrastructure.

                        And all of this doesn't even consider whatever the resulting weather patterns will mean for all this land.
                        Bill Gates is the largest owner of farmland in the U.S. Maybe he could just buy arctic Canada and go ahead and start setting things up there...
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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