Politics Thread

[Dauphin]

I've not welcomed one path or raised fear on another path. I'm saying you aren't following the science impartially. I don't get flu shots and I haven't got COVID boosters either. It's a choice I make. It is not stemming from an anti-vax stance. It stems from the fact that I hardly ever get sick and so don't bother to spend time getting something I don't need stance. I've never tested positive for COVID either - if I have had it, it was asymptomatic.

[Ming]

Again... you use your childish MAGA nick names...
It's MANY REAL MEDICAL ORGS that say your doctor was wrong. As I stated at the time, it wasn't based on any REAL STUDY. Just one man's opinion. And his opinion was WRONG.

"Both the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society agree that there is no evidence, nor a scientific reason, that suggests COVID-19 vaccinations, whether it was the first one or an additional one, increase the risk of cancer growth. (By the way, if you saw, like I did, the term “turbo cancer,” you can safely disregard the claim, since that isn’t a real entity. That’s fearmongering.)"

And by the way... COVID killed MILLIONS, not DR. Fauci. But go ahead and keep posting all the crap you see in internet videos.
The only people lying are those that post your conspiracy videos.

The Vaccine has saved millions of lives. Many MEDICAL org say as such. It's a fact.
And yes, some people may die and more will down the road.
But compared to the number of lives saved, it's a very small percentage.

[Berzerker]

Where was that proven Ming? Your doc disagreed with a doctor in Britain. I didn't make any claim, he saw an increase in recurrence with fully boosted patients and I posted his observation with the proposed mechanism.

As for how many lives were saved by the vaccine, we dont know and that is a fact. And what we dont know is how many people will die from the vaccines in 5-10-20 years. Course the same people lying about covid and the vaccines will be around telling us these excess deaths are unrelated.

Typhoid Tony and the US govt killed millions of people, lied about it, and Americans put them back in power.

[Berzerker]

Rabbit, where did I say I know 2 guys with myocarditis? The failure of the vaccine to stop infection and spread convinced me a nasal vaccine would be better.

I know covid causes problems Dauphin, so does the vaccine. Welcoming one for fear of the other doesn't make sense when the risk and reward are blurred.
Is the world still vaccinating children as policy?

[Berzerker]

what will the vote be, 9-0, 8-1, 7-2, 6-3, 5-4?

[pchang]

The Supremes will reinstate their patron saint, Make Donny Pres Again.

[Ming]

Berz continues his anti vax rants. His last attempt when he claimed it made cancer worse was total BS and has been proven to be the piece of crap it was.
While there is a big new study that shows that the vax can cause some problems in a limited (small percentage) of cases, the percentage is actually higher for those that get covid.
The fact is, the vax has saved millions and millions of lives. That is a fact that Berz can NOT dispute.
But I'm sure he will keep trying to claim how bad it is.
He will continue to believe ANYTHING he sees in an internet video without even bothering to check to see if it's all accurate.

[-Jrabbit]

Yeah but he knows 2 guys with myocarditis and even though he states "I dont know if it was clotting or an immune response or which vax did the damage," he is sure that having 2 personal friends blaming the vaccine (as opposed to Covid or other causes) somehow creates a preponderance of evidence that proves the scientists are lying to us. [I must admit, I do wonder what convinced him that any Covid vaccine without a nasal delivery system is not worth considering.]

[Dauphin]

So you want to ignore studies that say COVID causes health problems, and amplify studies that say the vaccine causes the same problems but at a lesser rate. Got it. Selection bias to support your stance.

[Dauphin]

1 per 100,000 is the prevalence rate of myocarditis in the absence of a Covid vaccine, based on observed rates in general population before Covid-19 was a thing.

[Berzerker]

what do you think the vote will be on the Colorado ballot access case?

[Berzerker]

FWIW, the rate from COVID is higher than the rate from the vaccines. so your still better off with the vaccine if you think you are reasonably likely to ever catch COVID.

We dont know the extent of damage caused by the vaccine and thats self inflicted. The risk-reward line has moved away from the vaccine thru a combination of natural and synthetic immunity and weakened strains. Data on the longevity of the vax is coming in so we'll find out if updated boosters are needed by at-risk people. I'll stick to exercise, sun and vitamins until they invent an effective nasal vax that mimics covid's pathway.

[Berzerker]

much more serious... One will likely die, he's in a wheelchair now and in bad health. I dont know if it was clotting or an immune response or which vax did the damage.

[-Jrabbit]

"how many we actually saw" vs "how many we expected to see"

[pchang]

While the Supremes will protect Donny, it looks like they will not protect Donny’s friends.