will putin go out with a bang or a whimper?

[PLATO]

8k is the estimate we have, not 'likely to be substantially higher'. The point being the low number of civilian deaths is proof Putin has not been targeting civilians and many who were killed were used as human shields if not outright cannon fodder for propaganda purposes. Ukraine soldiers move into a populated area to launch an attack and civilians are killed in the counter attack. So Russia spent years helping the people of the Donbas repel Azov but they dont care about them. How about the Russians along the border with Ukraine? They certainly have kin across the border who were attacked by Azov, no?

No...8K is what is confirmed. The ESTIMATE is that TRUE numbers are SUBSTAINTIALLY higher. There is not a "low number of civilian deaths" Stop making excuses for an indicted war criminal who cares nothing for human life other than his own.

[BeBMan]

(Not really fun) fact - Russia was claiming 8 years of fighting in Donbas amounted to genocide - with ca. 15000 killed, of which somewhat over 3000 were civilians (UN), and that's not even broken down into Ukr/Ru sides.

Now with 8k dead civilians minimum in over one year it's

proof Putin has not been targeting civilians

[Geronimo]

So you're gonna Joe McCarthy him. Where would Ukraine be without western arms and funding? Yes I know Azov is not motivated by what the USA wants, they're motivated by a right wing nationalistic desire to culturally cleanse society of people they dont like and we helped.



Yeah, analogies change the context... Exactly, apples and oranges. Zelensky doesn't need to be stopped, he tried to end the war when he got elected and Azov told him to gtfo. Did we back him up? No, our senators from both parties were running over there promising more weapons and more war, to hell with 'democracy'. You just posted requests from the Donbas asking Moscow for help months after they were attacked by Azov. They weren't attacking Kiev, Russia was limited in their response. They intervened militarily twice during the Donbas war when the separatists were getting beaten and asked for help. If you were in charge of Russia what would you do as your people were pissed off by Azov attacking their kin across the border?

If by Joe McCarthy him you mean something like I'm going to dismiss what Douglas McGregor says out of hand because his message is carried by such luminaries of journalistic integrity as RT, then no, I won't Joe McCarthy him. I plan on reading some of his articles and seeing if any of it seems credible. The RT thing certainly makes me skeptical at the outset however so I'll have some bias to overcome.

Berz, why don't you look at the Azov websites and the websites of the Russian Imperial Movement or literally any of the Separtist militia's and tell us which one has more white supremacist anti-Semite nazi frothing from the mouth going on? You'll find that while Azov is constantly scrutinized by Russia's armies of paid bloggers and "journalists" looking for imagery and quote mining gems to pad out their flimsy self-contradicting narratives, that the real-time direct comparisons show Russia is bankrolling the Nazier nazi's. You may have to use wayback machine as a lot of recent sites are blocked.

So, would I be pissed off by Azov on my border? No I'd be pissed off at the nazis that Moscow was diverting my hard-earned taxrubles to bankroll.

[Serb]

i think it's clear putin is done.

You've made my day!

[Serb]

I see him dying of some disease.

Fapping, so fapping!

[Serb]

Americans, your leader is an imbecile. And I was telling you just like that during the fraud you have called an "election".

You are nothing, but farse!
A clowns!

[Serb]

A pathetic brainless zombies!

[Geronimo]

Nice to see you back early this week Serb!

[Serb]

Out of beer, switched to Cognac.
Armenian cognac - the favorite Churchill's drink:

"My wife Vivienne and I had the pleasure of enjoying the friendship of Winston Churchill’s daughter Sara for many years, starting from late 1960s. When for the first time she was invited to dinner, she noticed in our sitting room on the piano, a bottle of “Ararat” Armenian brandy. She looked at the bottle with amazement and said,

“From 1945 until his death, my father used to drink this brandy.”

Then Sara told us when and where Churchill first drank “Ararat” brandy.

During the Yalta Conference In 1945 February, after the dinner Stalin asks Churchill if he wished to have a drink?

“I like a brandy with my cigar”, answers the British Prime Minister.

The host offers Churchill “Ararat”, the best Armenian brandy.

According to Sara, Churchill “falls in love” with “Ararat” Armenian brandy and asks Stalin;

“Where can I purchase few bottles of this brandy?”

Stalin instructs the Soviet ambassador to the U.K. to present Churchill with a case (12 bottles) of “Ararat” every month.

“My father passed away, but we continued receiving every moth a case of ‘Ararat’. Many years later, someone realizes that the Embassy has been sending brandy to a “dead” Churchill for the past ten years! Unfortunately from that day on our source of the Armenian brandy dried up! By the way I used to enjoy ‘Ararat’ as much as my father”, added Sara.

And according to Sara, following dinner, the only thing left on the dining table was an empty bottle of “Ararat” brandy".

[Serb]

I'll die young!

[Serb]

Like Churchill

[Serb]

I see him outlasting Biden, even if Biden wins another term

A spark of reason, finally!

[Serb]

As long as Russia has China's economic support then I don't see Putin going anywhere until health/old age forces him out. We like to talk alot about how Russia's army is getting its butt kicked, but they still occupy 20% of Ukraine and have a huge military/industrial complex to indefinitely feed the machine.

Silly!
You will never outproduce Russia, due to a simple reason - you are falling appart and being the amazingly GREAT creditor on this planet.
Your system of sucking blood from the World has come to its end!
We will finish you, or if you will be so STUPID ENOUGH to continue with your sh!t - we will incinerate your Continent.

[Serb]

You will be burnt to a glass, if you will play your sh!t for too long!

[Serb]

And there is no life in glass and not even democracy or LGBT agenda.