liberal hypocrisies

[BeBMan]

Good summary of the Obama - Biden neocon agenda.

But! Shouldn't there be more mention of the Nazis???

[Berzerker]

Good thread MWHC

1) Senate Democrats pressured Ukraine to investigate Trump based on the Clinton campaign's lies, Schiff even read Steele's BS into the congressional record. Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Biden over actual corruption and got impeached.

2) Democrats encouraged BLM/Antifa riots, the VP nominee raised $$$ to bail rioters out of jail. Over 500 riots before the 2020 election and thats the pursuit of justice, but 1 MAGA riot in response after the election is the end of democracy.

3) Democrats mandated a leaky vaccine and lied about it resulting in vaccinated people spreading Covid to the unvaccinated who the Democrats then blamed for spreading Covid. Yup, that happened. People were told they wouldn't get or spread Covid if they got vaccinated so they relaxed on social distancing while the unvaccinated were more cautious. A study from England showed the vaccinated were getting infected at higher rates than the unvaccinated. Same thing happened in Singapore, they relaxed restrictions on the vaccinated and they spread Covid to the unvaccinated.

4) Biden told Trudeau - our fearless defenders of democracy - to clamp down on protesters while the FBI and various agencies were telling social media to censor people.

Third, I am a Libertarian in a lot of ways. I just can't stomach the isolationism though. I think the American presence in the world is overall a very good thing for the world. Yes, it gets abused from time to time, but overall a very good thing. If Libertarians would get over isolationism, then they would get a lot of traction with me.

Can we ask the people of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Ethiopia, Somalia, and a dozen or so other countries we chewed up and spit out to fight them over there instead of over here? A neo-con libertarian

[EPW]

The Archives sent the letter to representatives of former presidents Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, and former vice-presidents Pence, Biden, Dick Cheney, Al Gore and Dan Quayle.

[Broken_Erika]

U.S. National Archives wants all past presidents, vice-presidents to look again for classified documents

Letter sent in light of recent discoveries of classified documents by staffs of Joe Biden and Mike Pence

The U.S. National Archives has asked former U.S. presidents and vice-presidents to recheck their personal records for any classified documents following the news that President Joe Biden and former Vice-President Mike Pence had such documents in their possession.

The Archives sent a letter Thursday to representatives of former presidents and vice-presidents extending back to Ronald Reagan to ensure compliance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA), according to a copy obtained by The Associated Press. The act states that any records created or received by the president are the property of the U.S. government and will be managed by the Archives at the end of an administration.

The Archives sent the letter to representatives of former presidents Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, and former vice-presidents Pence, Biden, Dick Cheney, Al Gore and Dan Quayle.

Responsibility to comply with the Presidential Records Act "does not diminish after the end of an administration," the Archives wrote in the letter.

"Therefore, we request that you conduct an assessment of any materials held outside of (the Archives) that relate to the administration for which you serve as a designated representative under the PRA, to determine whether bodies of materials previously assumed to be personal in nature might inadvertently contain Presidential or Vice Presidential records subject to the PRA, whether classified or unclassified."

• Search of Mike Pence's home yields classified documents, too
• FBI searched Biden's home and found more classified documents, his lawyer says

Spokespeople for Trump, Obama, Clinton, Pence, Cheney, Gore and Quayle did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Freddy Ford, chief of staff to former president George W. Bush responded to the Archives, saying, "Thank you for your note. We understand its purpose and remain confident that no such materials are in our possession."

Biden's lawyers came across classified documents from his time as U.S. vice-president in a locked cabinet as they were packing up an office he no longer uses in November.

Since then, subsequent searches by the FBI and Biden's lawyers have turned up more documents. Former vice-president Pence, too, this week, discovered documents and turned them in after saying previously he did not believe he had any.

Special counsel investigating Trump, Biden

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment but the searches by Biden's attorneys and the FBI appear to fulfil the Archives' request.

The Archives had no comment.

• Republicans cry foul over Biden classified document case, but Democrats scoff at Trump comparison

Handling of classified documents has been a problem off and on for decades, from presidents to cabinet members and staff across multiple administrations stretching as far back as Jimmy Carter.

But the issue has taken on greater significance since Trump willfully retained classified material at his Florida estate, prompting the unprecedented FBI seizure of thousands of pages of records last year.

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel to investigate Trump's handling of the documents, and also Biden's.

Only a crime if done intentionally

It turns out that officials from all levels of government discover they are in possession of classified materials and turn them over to authorities at least several times a year, according to another person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of classified documents.

Current and former officials involved in the handling of classified information say that while there are clear policies for how such information should be reviewed and stored, those policies are sometimes pushed aside at the highest levels.

Teams of national security officials, secretaries and military aides who share responsibility for keeping top-level executives informed — and the executives themselves — may bend the rules for convenience, expediency or sometimes simple carelessness.

• U.S. attorney general appoints special counsel in Biden documents investigation
• Special counsel Jack Smith to oversee Trump classified documents investigation

While much of the attention has been on classified information, the Presidential Records Act actually requires that, from the Reagan administration onward, all records must be transferred to the Archives regardless of classification.

It's against federal law to have classified documents at an unauthorized location, but it's only a crime if it was done intentionally.

Speaking Thursday at an unrelated news conference, FBI Director Christopher Wray said that though he could not discuss any specific ongoing investigation, "We have had for quite a number of years any number of mishandling investigations. That is unfortunately a regular part of our counterintelligence division's and counterintelligence program's work."

He said there was a need for people to be conscious of laws and rules governing the handling of classified information.

"Those rules," he said, "are there for a reason."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nation...ents-1.6727690

[PLATO]

They'd better search George W Bush and Bill Clinton's houses.

George W : "These here documents musta been left from a stratergery session Daddy had. They didn't let me play with these things."

Teflon Bill: "Document is classified? Depends on what the definition of "is" is. I do feel Joe's pain though...."

[Dauphin]

This witch-hunts are ignoring the true scandal. Apparently there is a 'Nara' who has millions of classified records going back decades. Someone should look into this Nara.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

-And then get Al Capone for tax evasion.

[Broken_Erika]

Once someone finds Obama's cache then it will all be okay. The issue will just fade away.

They'd better search George W Bush and Bill Clinton's houses.

[PLATO]

After Pence, is it now 2 to 1 in the documents saga? Can democrats allow a documents gap?

Once someone finds Obama's cache then it will all be okay. The issue will just fade away.

[BeBMan]

After Pence, is it now 2 to 1 in the documents saga? Can democrats allow a documents gap?

[PLATO]

Ineffectiveness is not why torture is bad.

Totally agree. Sorry if I just assumed that "torture is evil" was a given. Beyond that though, it is ineffective as well.

[Lorizael]

First, I absolutely do not believe in torture (unless of course someone does something vile to my wife or kids, but then I would be happy to do it myself). I think there are MUCH more effective ways of getting information.

Ineffectiveness is not why torture is bad.

[Uncle Sparky]

Maybe Trump and Biden can share a cell. Put in a couple of cameras, and put it on TV.
But which one would win an Emmy?

[Donegeal]

Maybe we'll all get lucky and this will convince Biden not to run in 2024.

[-Jrabbit]

I love watching all the Trumpers and righty media suddenly getting all righteous about ethics and the law.

Comparative Whataboutism, specialty of the house.