Which generals should be in a hurt or heal thrade?

[Egbert]

EPW just a very popular hurt or heal thrade for US presidents. Yay for EPW

Perhaps we could run a hurt or heal thrade for best general of world war 2.
The problem is which generals to include. And also admirals and air marshals.
I have a few ideas and welcome more before starting a thrade.

I was thinking of:
- Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
- Field Marshal Erich von Manstein
- Field Marshal Walter Model
- Field Marshal Albert Kesselring
- General Georgi Zhukov

Your thoughts gentlemen?

[BeBMan]

The generals Mud and Winter should be in. Maybe General Motors for Lend-Lease.

[Proteus_MST]

Field Marshal Erwin Rommel should be included as well, of course

[Ming]

What about Patton and Montgomery

[PLATO]

MacArthur
Nimitz
Bradley
Leclerc
Vasilevsky

So many choices really

[Geronimo]

MacArthur
Nimitz
Bradley
Leclerc
Vasilevsky

So many choices really

Any U.S. Generals will be the first dropped out no matter who else is on the ballot so I don't think there is any point in including them.

[PLATO]

Why do you say this? I think several of them were pretty good.

[Geronimo]

they will be hurt because they are Americans and the other generals that would otherwise be hurt will be healed because they are not.

[PLATO]

Fair enough I guess!

[Dauphin]

Jar Jar Binks.

[EPW]

Hitler, Charles de Gualle

[Egbert]

Perhaps:
- Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
- Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
- Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
- Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
- Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
- General George Patton (USA)
- Bernard Montgomery (UK)
- Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
- Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
- General Omar Bradley (USA)
- General Chares de Gaulle (France)
- Corporal Adolf Hitler <<< err are you sure about that one EPW? LOL

I don't think MacArthur or Eisenhower belong in a list of best generals. I see Montgomery, Patton and Bradley as ordinary. Kesselring described Rommel as excellent for Corps level command as in North Africa but unsuited to higher command. Similarly Rydz-Smigly distinguished himself in the 1920 war against the USSR and put up a competent defence of Poland in World war 2 but it seems Josif Pilsudski was right to say he would not be suited to command the defence of a nation.

[BeBMan]

Char*l*es de Gaulle - did some innovative things re tank use when the French army on the whole had rather good tank models for the time, but inadequate doctrine etc. for their effective use, but was more of a political leader after the fall of France/establishing exile gove/Free French.

Leclerc is the better choice indeed IMO for Fra.

Due to sheer scale of warfare in the east I'd say Soviets need more than just one guy, but dunno which.

Giovanni Messe would be an example for a competent Italian guy.

[Egbert]

Due to sheer scale of warfare in the east I'd say Soviets need more than just one guy, but dunno which.

I see your point. On the other hand outstanding leaders are very rare. Plenty of competent leaders though.

[Jon Miller]

I think there should be roughly equal numbers of British, American, Soviet, German, Italian and Japanese commanders. There could be a couple of additional (from France or China, for example).

Probably the total should come in at 30.

General Tomoyuki Yama****a (Japan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyuki_Yama****a

He captured Singapore with ~30k troops (it had 80k British, Australian and Indian troops). He later defended well against the Americans (MacArthur).

Some say that he was executed out of anger from the Americans and British that he bested and not due to war crimes.

Some others
Rear Admiral Raizo Tanaka (Japan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raizō_Tanaka

Vice Admiral Jisaburo Ozawa (Japan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_campaign

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jisaburō_Ozawa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_campaign

JM

[Jon Miller]

Maybe go with double the numbers for American and German versus others due to the books we are likely to have read.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Gen. Enrico Frattini (Italian)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Frattini

He led the Folgore Division during the battle of El Alamein

JM

[Jon Miller]

As suggested

Marshal Giovanni Messe (Italy)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Messe

JM