How China tempted the Mongols

[BeBMan]

In hindsight it's pretty obvious that the Chinese Great Wall forced the Mongols to launch an invasion of China in the 13th century.

While many may think of the Ming-part (hehe) of the wall (actually several) from the 14th century, earlier parts date back to the 7th century, and were - supposedly - created as defensive structure against raids or incursions by various nomadic people from north of the Chinese border.

It's easy to see how this idea was nothing more than a plot to hide Chinese aggression: innocent nomadic people north of China must have felt encircled by the wall, and it's safe to say that as far as encirclements from one side go this one was pretty harsh.

The wall also made it very hard to learn the true intentions of the Chinese. I mean if you're the Mongols you could never be sure if them Chinese weren't planning anything sinister beyond the wall. Who knows maybe they started to make grimaces northwards en masse behind the wall. So much about the wall being "defensive".

All this shows clearly that the Mongols finally had no other choice than to invade China. I carefully considered any possible counter-arguments, and dismissed them already in my head, so don't bother making one.

Of course, you're still free to discuss anything in this post, or even come up with your own stuff, as long it does not fundamentally contradict my well-though-out stuff, which is beyond any doubt because I say so.

Next: What forced innocent Mongols to invade other parts of the world, from Russia to Europe (edit: mmkay, as far as is went) to the Middle East.

[N35t0r]

In hindsight it's pretty obvious that the Chinese Great Wall forced the Mongols to launch an invasion of China in the 13th century.

While many may think of the Ming-part (hehe) of the wall (actually several) from the 14th century, earlier parts date back to the 7th century, and were - supposedly - created as defensive structure against raids or incursions by various nomadic people from north of the Chinese border.

It's easy to see how this idea was nothing more than a plot to hide Chinese aggression: innocent nomadic people north of China must have felt encircled by the wall, and it's safe to say that as far as encirclements from one side go this one was pretty harsh.

The wall also made it very hard to learn the true intentions of the Chinese. I mean if you're the Mongols you could never be sure if them Chinese weren't planning anything sinister beyond the wall. Who knows maybe they started to make grimaces northwards en masse behind the wall. So much about the wall being "defensive".

All this shows clearly that the Mongols finally had no other choice than to invade China. I carefully considered any possible counter-arguments, and dismissed them already in my head, so don't bother making one.

Of course, you're still free to discuss anything in this post, or even come up with your own stuff, as long it does not fundamentally contradict my well-though-out stuff, which is beyond any doubt because I say so.

Next: What forced innocent Mongols to invade other parts of the world, from Russia to Western Europe to the Middle East.

A very sound and valid point.

Regarding the west, it was probably the news that the christian Nazis were conquering and oppressing Muslim civilians, and the Mongols, as the humanitarian heroes they were, did their best to go and stop this.

[BeBMan]

Ha, I corrected my mistake in the OP, as IIRC the Mongols did not really reach Western Europe. But otherwise I agree they were forced to invade basically everyone at their borders for world peace.

[Geronimo]

Ha, I corrected my mistake in the OP, as IIRC the Mongols did not really reach Western Europe. But otherwise I agree they were forced to invade basically everyone at their borders for world peace.

You would paraphrase my thread as that I concluded that the West forced Putin to invade Ukraine?

Ruminate this very short version.

The West's violations of international norms that helped deter everyone from invading anyone helped tempt Putin to invade everyone by weakening that deterrence.

[BeBMan]

You would paraphrase my thread as that I concluded that the West forced Putin to invade Ukraine?

This thread is obviously about Chinese agression.

[PLATO]

If only the poor Chinese had been part of a defensive alliance all that bloodshed could have been averted.

[Geronimo]

This thread is obviously about Chinese agression.

Ok. What lessons do you draw from this piece of history?

[Egbert]

Next: What forced innocent Mongols to invade other parts of the world, from Russia to Europe (edit: mmkay, as far as is went) to the Middle East.

They were provoked by Hadrian's Wall.

[BeBMan]

Ok. What lessons do you draw from this piece of history?

The Chinese and Mongols should have declared eachother brotherly people to be safe.

[BeBMan]

They were provoked by Hadrian's Wall.

The real reason why they were obsessed with walls is that they needed more space to throw their lunches against the wall(s)

[Egbert]

At the Genghis Kahn rose to power the Jin, who ruled northern China, were turning inwards and discouraging foreign trade which was making it difficult for Mongolia to import materials the she needed. That gave Genghis reason to invade China. (Of course there seems little doubt that he would have left China in peace anyway, his grandfather hade invaded China and heaps of plunder and tribute)

[BeBMan]

I think the Mongols just wanted a Kingdom for not just one, but all of their horses.

[Egbert]

I think they had those mobile houses so they would always have a wall nearby in case they wanted to throw their lunch.

[ZEE]

If the Mongols existed today they would be vilified, but since they existed long ago they are admired. Interesting.