It appears Roe is toast

[Wezil]

What "you" consider a fundamental right is nothing more than an opinion when it comes to governance. Fundamental rights were set out in the constitution and the amendments that followed. For abortion to have this status then the amendment process is available at anytime. A woman's right to choose should be codified in the Constitution IMHO as should equal rights for women.

You're opinion that is not a fundamental right is also just your opinion. The USSC agreed that it was for the last 50 years. Now they don't.

I am interested to know what part of the constitution you are referring to...seriously (I am open to broadening my understanding). Generally, Roe is thought of as a very poorly based decision with little constitutional merit...even by liberal attorneys. Yet it was all the SCOTUS could find to try and do what they knew should be done in the light of the legislative process punting their responsibility.

You don't need me to argue what has been better argued by others. Google will show you both sides of the debate.

As far as "States Rights" that is not the issue here at all. The issue of State's rights is settled..the federal government is supreme. The issue here is the federal governments rights. these are clearly spelled out in the Constitution and equally clearly stated that any rights beyond those were reserved to the States or the People. That part of the equation has never truly been disagreed on or fought over.

If you stop the feds from being involved in anything not "clearly" spelled out in the Constitution then they are looking at some serious retrenching. If a woman's right to reproductive choices aren't something the feds should have an interest in then your Constitution is either stupid or broken (or both). You can't have equality without it.

Here we are in complete agreement.

Yay!

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Wezil - i do like when you post. hmmm... ok, i think it;s cause i like the word( why) Wezil and the icon. thats ok to say. nothing wrong with that.

[Wezil]

Wezil's ferret partner was named Rat. Weez was the muscle and Rat was the brains of the conspiracy.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

i am drinkjung too! WEZIL!!!

[Wezil]

Must be a day ending in "day".

[My Wife Hates CIV]

it is! tuesayd! i had to look!!!!

[My Wife Hates CIV]

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[PLATO]

You're opinion that is not a fundamental right is also just your opinion. The USSC agreed that it was for the last 50 years. Now they don't.

This is incorrect, but I assume you know that..at least i hope you do.

You don't need me to argue what has been better argued by others. Google will show you both sides of the debate.

So...you don't know what part of the constitution supposedly gives this right...you just know that others have argued it? Okie Dokie.

If you stop the feds from being involved in anything not "clearly" spelled out in the Constitution then they are looking at some serious retrenching. If a woman's right to reproductive choices aren't something the feds should have an interest in then your Constitution is either stupid or broken (or both). You can't have equality without it.

Actually, the feds are not engaged in much that isn't granted them in the constitution. States are very careful to watch this and are not shy about suing them to stop.

Yay!

[My Wife Hates CIV]

so you are american? Plato?> a quesiron?

[PLATO]

so you are american? Plato?> a quesiron?

I am! Just not one of the uneducated masses that don't have a clue.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

you might have a PHD and I might agree with you. thinkg abot iut.

[PLATO]

So...just to shed a little light on the basis for the right to an abortion. Justice Blackman cited the 14th amendment as the source of this right. Here is the amendment:

Amendment XIV

Section 1.


All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.


Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.


No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.


The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.


The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Justice Rehnquist, writing in dissent, said that the 14th amendment does not provide a right to privacy and was not intended to. He stated that the matter should be left to the various state legislatures.

Once again...I am a supporter of a woman's right to choose. I am just saying that it needs to be done properly and it clearly wasn't. Overturning this ludicrous decision will hopefully spark things to be done correctly.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

i am impressed with the copy and paste just say what you think. i do agree with your last sentence. and thats it took. just say it... and say no more.

[Kidishious]

I think putting replicas of their genitals on their heads didn't stop this. Maybe they will rethink their strategy.

[Kidishious]

So...just to shed a little light on the basis for the right to an abortion. Justice Blackman cited the 14th amendment as the source of this right. Here is the amendment:



Justice Rehnquist, writing in dissent, said that the 14th amendment does not provide a right to privacy and was not intended to. He stated that the matter should be left to the various state legislatures.

Once again...I am a supporter of a woman's right to choose. I am just saying that it needs to be done properly and it clearly wasn't. Overturning this ludicrous decision will hopefully spark things to be done correctly.

Nah. They are going to try to pack the Court or **** things up in some other way again. That's what they do.