Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

This analogy is not necessarily a reflection of American motives for supporting Ukraine.

As things stand we do not know the actual motivations of the American government as distinct from their public pronouncements of their reasons. I have real difficulty believing that the Americans are sending help for altruistic motives, particularly when there are millions sorely in need of some altruism.

Put bluntly, I do not trust the government of the United States.

World War 2 isn't an analogy. It is a lesson. Do you honestly believe there weren't millions in desperate need of altruism in 1939?

[dannubis]

It is not clear to me why Russia invaded the Ukraine and it is not clear to me why America is so concerned.

Landgrab. Nothing more, nothing less.
Why NATO is concerned is that after Ukraine and Moldova the Baltic states are next... and they are part of NATO. So NATO soldiers will die... it is easier to sacrifice Ukrainians.

[BeBMan]

Chinese peace plan for Ukraine greeted cautiously by the west

China’s senior diplomat Wang Yi speaks of need to uphold principle of territorial integrity but also of respecting Russia’s ‘legitimate security interests’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/18/chinese-peace-plan-for-ukraine-greeted-cautiously-by-the-west

I'm somewhat sceptic given the Chinese role, but let's see what they come up wth first.

[Egbert]

I believe Peter Zeihan did a pretty good summary of NATO's motivations as well as Russia's motivations. You will notice he wrote about what he called the Russian Twilight wars I'm 2013 before Russia's initial invasion and he expanded upon it prior to last year's second invasioin.

Thanks, I looked him up and read some interesting stuff.

I am not convinced that America and the Euros have the same motivations. Although I have noticed that every country bar 3 are NATO members. The other 3 countries are Sweden and Finland who want to join NATO with the third contributor being Australia. Every other country is staying out of this conflict and I am not sure what all this means. It is not clear to me why Russia invaded the Ukraine and it is not clear to me why America is so concerned.

In particular, it would be interesting to know who blew up the Nordstrom pipeline, and why. We might not get the answer to that.

[Dinner]

I believe Peter Zeihan did a pretty good summary of NATO's motivations as well as Russia's motivations. You will notice he wrote about what he called the Russian Twilight wars I'm 2013 before Russia's initial invasion and he expanded upon it prior to last year's second invasioin.

[Egbert]

When Hitler started World War 2 in Europe the economies recovering from the Great Depression were in no shape to respond to it. Delaying doing so surely didn't save them any money in the long run.

is it cheaper to contain Putin's land grab at Ukraine or wait until after he's absorbed it?

This analogy is not necessarily a reflection of American motives for supporting Ukraine.

As things stand we do not know the actual motivations of the American government as distinct from their public pronouncements of their reasons. I have real difficulty believing that the Americans are sending help for altruistic motives, particularly when there are millions sorely in need of some altruism.

Put bluntly, I do not trust the government of the United States.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

so enough with you serb, you dont see that. maybe you do. but you dont show it.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

i have seen - COUNTLESS videos of russian/ukraine solders being plowed down in a heartbeat. it is.... yes... still makes you feel it - does not matter what side. the loss is great. whats my point? you tell me. they are all people... they are all friends. they all are those who would have partied with you. they are all who would have had view on this war - right or wrong. THAT IS what everyone is missing. it's messed up. completely.

[Serb]

If Ukraine was starting War with Russia when it shelled parts of Ukraine who was Russia starting war with when it shelled Chechnya?

Ukraine's goal was not to start a war with Russia, their goal was to conquer Donbass.

Regardless, for the record I don't believe Ukraine increased shelling of civillian infrastructure in the Donbass in January or February of 2022. It makes so much more sense that they would either be much too busy starting to shell massed armed formations in the Donbass or even more sensibly laying low altogether to try not to provoke anything from the huge expeditionary force that had formed up nearby to go randomly initiating some Quixotic genocide campaign executed with artillery shells and rockets. In fact that makes so little sense it's much easier for me to believe that if any shelling *had* been seen to occur against apparently civillian targets in the Donbass it would most likely be false flag operations to shore up support for the special military operation.

Хоть ссы в глаза - всё Божья роса!

:facepalm:


(replace "look" with "pee" in your Google translate).

[Geronimo]

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So, Ukraine have started it at February 17, but you brainless Western zombies, only know is that Russia has invaded at February 24.

If Ukraine was starting War with Russia when it shelled parts of Ukraine who was Russia starting war with when it shelled Chechnya?

Regardless, for the record I don't believe Ukraine increased shelling of civillian infrastructure in the Donbass in January or February of 2022. It makes so much more sense that they would either be much too busy starting to shell massed armed formations in the Donbass or even more sensibly laying low altogether to try not to provoke anything from the huge expeditionary force that had formed up nearby to go randomly initiating some Quixotic genocide campaign executed with artillery shells and rockets. In fact that makes so little sense it's much easier for me to believe that if any shelling *had* been seen to occur against apparently civillian targets in the Donbass it would most likely be false flag operations to shore up support for the special military operation.

[Serb]

Yeah, "Lie is truth, Truth is a lie".

Keep boiling in your Western Orwell's universe of 1984!

[Dinner]

Yawn. I get tired of false Putinist lies.

[Serb]

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Ukrainian armed forces had fired over 600 artillery shells to Donetsk People Republic territory within the last 24 hours. Both DNR and LNR have declared military mobilisation and started a full-scale evacuation of civilians to Russia.
So, the nazi motherf*ckers have finally started it, stupid suicide bastards! We will wipe the floor with them now.
Your brilliant brainwasging media would never tell you who has started this war of course. A couple days after they will cream their and your pants with headliners like "Russia has finally started its invasion!" Just like they did in 2008 when Russia has intervenued to stop massacring of Russian peacekeepers and South Ossetian civilians by Saakashvili's army.

So, Ukraine have started it at February 17, but you brainless Western zombies, only know is that Russia has invaded at February 24.

[Serb]

And so stupid!

[Serb]

Keep that sh! for a brainless zombies like yourself!!!

Russia didn't invade Ukraine "exactly one year ago".
One year ago Ukraine have ammased thier military forces at the borders of DPR and LPR and was sending THOUSANDS of shells as THEIR proof of fufilment on the Minsk and Normandy agreements.
That is what I wrote about back then in my thread "That is comming":

https://apolyton.net/forum/miscellaneous/off-topic/9430017-i-m-coming

I was a prophet you didn't listen.
As always.