Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

3/3rds... Those are our wars and the numbers dont include the 80s when we armed 'freedom fighters' and Islamic terrorists and used Iraq as a proxy vs Iran and spent the 90s killing Iraqis et al with sanctions and bombs. We could go back further, Vietnam and the Cambodian genocide, but that preceded Victoria's reign of terror.

Berz the US started Afghanistan and Iraq 2003 the rest were enormous conflicts before the US got involved at all. Even Afghanistan was intervention in a simmering civil war. It's ridiculous to ascribe 2/3 let alone 3/3 of the total to the US. Generally the only way to start a war and make it stick is to either "start" one that was going to start anyway or to put boots on the ground and invade keeping the war going directly as in Iraq. There is nothing the US could have done to substantially reduce most of those casualties, apart from managing to get support from at least one side for a vast US+multinational peace keeping role and avoid having the locals turn the peacekeeping role into an endless simmering insurrection like in Afghanistan.

[Dauphin]

I wanted to fact check myself.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0274317

"Overall, we find that, contrary to previous research, coverage and sentiment biases suggest equal public interest in female politicians. Rather than overt hostile or benevolent sexism, the results of the nominal and lexical analyses suggest this interest is not as professional or respectful as that expressed about male politicians. Female politicians are often named by their first names and are described in relation to their body, clothing, or family; this is a treatment that is not similarly extended to men"

[Dauphin]

Mostly targeted at our Greek friend, an a bit towards Berz. It got worse as the chain read through

I don't think people tend to comment on male politicians hairstyles and attractiveness. Mocking looks is one thing (President Orange and his hair), but tying it to attractiveness, I don't think so much.

[PLATO]

No...just an attempt to deflect the hate dogpile. Perhaps if we had been discussing a male and I made the same comment you would have felt differently?

[Berzerker]

everybody's arming Nazis, even the Jews... It only took a half dozen years but they're back to being fine people

[Berzerker]

Kirby said Ukrainians dont want their children taken away and abducted

[BeBMan]

Meduza revealed that Putin armed the Nazis. And just recently Reuters found out that he also gave them roles in his presidential apparatus.

[Berzerker]

Let's see that number at least. Then we can discuss why you think it's credible.

your 1st link shows the number, but it says post 9/11 dead. Victoria was already killing people long before that.

[Berzerker]

Here's lazy bing prompt estimates of *total casualties on all sides* for all of those conflicts:


| War | Highest estimate | Most commonly cited estimate | Lowest estimate |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Afghanistan | 241,000¹ | 171,000² | 110,000³ |
| Iraq | 1,033,000⁴ | 461,000 | 151,000 |
| Yemen | 233,000 | 112,000 | 56,000 |
| Libya | 25,000 | 10,000 | 4,700 |
| Syria | 606,000 | 388,000 | 250,000 |
| Somalia | 500,000 | 300,000 | 100,000 |
| Ethiopia | 52,800 | 52,800 | 52,800 |
| Ukraine | 13,200 | 13,200 | 13,200 |
| **Total** | **2.7 million** | **1.5 million** | **0.7 million**

Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/15/2023
(1) Post-9/11 wars have contributed to some 4.5 million deaths, report .... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...hanistan-iraq/.
(2) Human Costs of U.S. Post-9/11 Wars: Direct War Deaths in Major War .... https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...1/WarDeathToll.
(3) How Death Outlives War - Watson Institute for International and Public .... https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...t%20Deaths.pdf.
(4) Latest Figures | Costs of War. https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures.

How the hell can the US, let alone Nuland be responsible for 2/3 of the high estimate? 🙄

3/3rds... Those are our wars and the numbers dont include the 80s when we armed 'freedom fighters' and Islamic terrorists and used Iraq as a proxy vs Iran and spent the 90s killing Iraqis et al with sanctions and bombs. We could go back further, Vietnam and the Cambodian genocide, but that preceded Victoria's reign of terror.

[Geronimo]

Crap huh... Actually the number I saw for the US death toll was ~4 1/2 million, but I dont know when they started counting or how indirectly our hands are on the instruments of death.

Madeleine Albright said a 1/2 million dead Iraqi children were worth the sanctions and that was before we invaded again. We could ask Victoria about that, she was already killing people for the neocon ideology

Let's see that number at least. Then we can discuss why you think it's credible.

[Berzerker]

Crap huh... Actually the number I saw for the US death toll was ~4 1/2 million, but I dont know when they started counting or how indirectly our hands are on the instruments of death.

Madeleine Albright said a 1/2 million dead Iraqi children were worth the sanctions and that was before we invaded again. We could ask Victoria about that, she was already killing people for the neocon ideology

[Geronimo]

at least 2 million... Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Ukraine, and now she's in Niger.

Here's lazy bing prompt estimates of *total casualties on all sides* for all of those conflicts:


| War | Highest estimate | Most commonly cited estimate | Lowest estimate |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Afghanistan | 241,000¹ | 171,000² | 110,000³ |
| Iraq | 1,033,000⁴ | 461,000 | 151,000 |
| Yemen | 233,000 | 112,000 | 56,000 |
| Libya | 25,000 | 10,000 | 4,700 |
| Syria | 606,000 | 388,000 | 250,000 |
| Somalia | 500,000 | 300,000 | 100,000 |
| Ethiopia | 52,800 | 52,800 | 52,800 |
| Ukraine | 13,200 | 13,200 | 13,200 |
| **Total** | **2.7 million** | **1.5 million** | **0.7 million**

Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/15/2023
(1) Post-9/11 wars have contributed to some 4.5 million deaths, report .... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...hanistan-iraq/.
(2) Human Costs of U.S. Post-9/11 Wars: Direct War Deaths in Major War .... https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...1/WarDeathToll.
(3) How Death Outlives War - Watson Institute for International and Public .... https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...t%20Deaths.pdf.
(4) Latest Figures | Costs of War. https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures.

How the hell can the US, let alone Nuland be responsible for 2/3 of the high estimate? 🙄

[Berzerker]

Nuland took part in administrations that cost 2 million (minimum) lives lost? do the path for us please.

at least 2 million... Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Ukraine, and now she's in Niger.

[Berzerker]

Somebody handed him over, it was Pakistanis who told us where to find him

[Dauphin]

WTF do her looks matter? Feels like casual misogyny being expressed here.