Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

Bullcrap. Not one red cent was sent for weapons until Russia moved it's military into Ukrainian bases on Crimea and armed separatists started occupying public buildings in the Donbas with ample evidence of Russian weapons and "volunteers" in active service in the Russian military rushing across the border.

In December 2017, Max Abrahms of the Council on Foreign Relations and John Glaser of the Cato Institute observed in the Los Angeles Times that "[ISIL] imploded right after external support for the 'moderate' rebels dried up,"

Imagine that, ISIL collapsed when Trump stopped arming Obama's moderate rebels. We were running guns in and out of Ukraine before Russia reacted to the coup. I can tell what the people in these regions wanted just by looking at the direction they pointed their guns. They were shooting at the Nazi army Washington and Kiev sent to attack them, the Russian army didn't defend them until later in 2014 and that led to the Minsk Accords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

There were millions of people in the Donbas who rejected the coup and we armed Nazis to kill them. Marcia Marcia Marcia doesn't even enter the picture.

[PLATO]

But that is not the Russian way. Russia is a brute and only understands the politics of force and coercion. Peaceful co-existence can only be forced upon them by organizations like NATO.

[Donegeal]

Nato secy gen Jens Stoltenberg has admitted Russia invaded to prevent Nato expansion... all it took to prevent the war was Nato staying out of Ukraine

What right does Russia have to decide what groups or organizations an internationally recognized and independent country can join?

Make-em a better deal, not blow'em to bits then try to annex their land.

[N35t0r]

Nato secy gen Jens Stoltenberg has admitted Russia invaded to prevent Nato expansion... all it took to prevent the war was Nato staying out of Ukraine

The only downside to Russia for Ukraine being in NATO is that Russia wouldn't be able to invade Ukraine and avoid being declared war upon by the rest of NATO. So we might have prevented this war, only to have Putin invade next year.

[BeBMan]

Looks like there is a new vid of Kadyrov, dunno if it confirms he's alive and well. We'll find out one way or the other. Would be a pity if we'd lose such a great humanitarian

In other news Belarus' pres Lukashenko Berz-admitted he wants to have a ménage à trois with Kim and Putin. It's true because there is a vid, too!

[Geronimo]

We wake up one day to a talking head on TV yapping about people half way around the world disagreeing about their govt and our immediate reaction is to identify the Nazis and send them weapons

Bullcrap. Not one red cent was sent for weapons until Russia moved it's military into Ukrainian bases on Crimea and armed separatists started occupying public buildings in the Donbas with ample evidence of Russian weapons and "volunteers" in active service in the Russian military rushing across the border.

[Berzerker]

Nato secy gen Jens Stoltenberg has admitted Russia invaded to prevent Nato expansion... all it took to prevent the war was Nato staying out of Ukraine

[Berzerker]

Republicans have also been happy to fight wars.

The war in Ukraine however, whether in the Donbss or in any place touched by the special military operation was not started by Democrats or Republicans at all berz. Not even if you call the Maidan change in power a coup. All of the fighting was started by Russia everywhere in Ukraine. All of it.

That said, we both see the pattern everywhere is clearly demonstrated as the people who want to start the wars never want to fight the wars. Kudos for recognizing that.

We wake up one day to a talking head on TV yapping about people half way around the world disagreeing about their govt and our immediate reaction is to identify the Nazis and send them weapons

[pchang]

Who knew syphilis would still be so debilitating. Must be that Russian health care he’s been getting.

[BeBMan]

Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) has confirmed that Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov is in critical condition due to serious illness, SBU Spokesperson Andriy Yusov told the Ukrainian news outlet Obozrevatel on Sept. 15.

"Yes, indeed, there is information that war criminal Kadyrov is in serious condition — his existing diseases have worsened and caused such a serious condition," Yusov said.

Obozrevatel had earlier reported claims from sources in Chechnya that Kadyrov had fallen into a coma. While Yusov did not provide details on Kadyrov's medical issues, he confirmed that the problem was not an injury and that his health was worsening.

"He has been ill for a long time, and it is about systemic health problems. But he has been in serious condition for the last few days," Yusov said.

Yusov said that the information about Kadyrov's health has been confirmed by multiple medical and political sources.

Would need confirmation still from independent sources other than Ukraine, me thinks.

https://news.yahoo.com/military-intelligence-chechen-warlord-kadyrov-215737896.html

[Dauphin]

Nice to know the hiking trail is still open.

[PLATO]

So Andriivka, about 8 miles south of Bakhmut seems to be liberated. The village is literally tiny but looks to increase the chances of encirclement of Russian troops in Bakhmut. The activity around Bakhmut seemed to be a fixing operation but has begun to take on a more strategic significance as Ukrainian troops continue to make progress. Here is an aerial of Andriivka:

[N35t0r]

Exactly. I don't see Putin on the front.

And Bush was a republican. So was Bush Sr.

[Geronimo]

Republicans have also been happy to fight wars.

The war in Ukraine however, whether in the Donbss or in any place touched by the special military operation was not started by Democrats or Republicans at all berz. Not even if you call the Maidan change in power a coup. All of the fighting was started by Russia everywhere in Ukraine. All of it.

That said, we both see the pattern everywhere is clearly demonstrated as the people who want to start the wars never want to fight the wars. Kudos for recognizing that.

[Berzerker]

I also didn't see most of the people in favour of invading Iraq volunteering.

Also you're an *******.

Are you detecting a pattern? Maybe we'd have fewer wars if the people wanting to fight actually did the fighting

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