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Your analysis is cherry picked because you start with the survivors. Sure, once we discount the weak who died already, the survivors are doing better.
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I wouldn't have to look twice to see you're not Berz - but Galactus is washed out in the lighting effects again. Check the retouch I just posted; I think it has a touch of Simonson, and it's not overwhelmed by one color... -
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It was just purple on purple before, with energy highlights, same as Berz' storm. Galactus stands out as Galactus now, and I fixed the skin around his mouth to not wash out w/ more purple anymore.
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Please cite and explain what you mean by "do better".Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
If your claim is that unvaccinated COVID survivors are less likely to catch COVID than vaccinated people, then that's tautologically false: all COVID survivors have already had COVID.
If your point is that it's good that the people who died are better off dead because it "improves the gene pool", then **** off you nazi piece of ****.Indifference is BlissComment
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most of the people who died from covid were well beyond contributing to the gene pool and I cited studies from California, NY and Israel
did you know Obama, Trump and Biden were arming Nazis in Ukraine?
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You didn't cite ****. You mentioned that there exist studies. Yay. Now which of the several hundred thousand are they? Otherwise I'm still not sure what your point is.Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
You brought up "natural" antibodies being "better" than vaccines (hint: both getting infected and getting vaccinated produce the same types of antibodies, both produced by the body, so both are natural; this was my glass/slurp water analogy, but it seems that I was not very clear with it). While most of the people who died are not of reproductive age, a lot still were, and some were also children, and in all cases I think it's bad that they died if getting vaccinated could have saved them.
I'm still not sure what your point is, unless it is that the best way to avoid getting seriously sick or dying from COVID is to get sick with COVID and surviving in good health.
Obama and Trump didn't send weapons to Ukraine, Biden only did when Russian invasion was certain, and they gave them to the Ukrainian government. Some paramilitary groups in Ukraine are Nazis, and got supplied with those weapons, yes. A lot of Russians are also Nazis (like the Wagner group), and the two best things Nazis can do is dying and killing other Nazis (that in sound so they defend the lives of regular people is a great plus). War criminals are pretty much on the same level as Nazis. So, all in all, I see the US sending weapons to Ukraine as a good decision.Indifference is BlissComment
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Yes, the studies exist and I'm citing them. I didn't bring up natural antibodies, I said covid survivors have better responses than vaccinated people because their natural immunity is superior to the vaccine. Hint, the reason why the vaccination does better in people who survived covid is because they survived covid. People who got just the vaccine dont, they do worse.
We've been sending weapons to Ukraine for 8 years. The Democrats in Congress led by John Conyers tried to cut the Ukrainian Nazis (Azov) out of our arms shipments but the Pentagon intervened. The Dems are okay with killing eastern Ukrainians, they just dont want our killers to be Nazis. Ukraine was a shipping point for weapons destined for Syrian terrorists too.
Yeah, we were arming ISIS and Obama called them 'moderate rebels'. The US ambassador and a few soldiers were killed in Benghazi facilitating arms shipments from Libyan stockpiles to Syria as well.
So you're complaining about Nazis but support arming them to kill eastern Ukrainians. Dont look down, your moral high ground is sinking into quicksand.
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What do you mean when you claim that Trump never sent weapons to Ukraine?Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
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There were definitely weapons sent. But, most of the money was for things other than weapons (like radars and training). However, there were millions of $USD in credits that Ukraine could use to buy weapons from US suppliers (subject to export controls).“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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I stand corrected, it appears he did send lethal weapons.Originally posted by Geronimo View PostIndifference is BlissComment
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They send weapons to support the Ukrainian state, in which "Nazis" - a platform, not a single party - scored just a bit more than 2% in the last big election. That's less than in many other, incl. western countries.Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
Given that Russia's official policies these days are at minimum authoritarian (with a tendency towards totalitarian) Ukraine - while certainly not being perfect - is surely the more open, democratic country in comparison to Russia.
Ergo, your constant "they supported the Nazis" is at best uninformed nonsense, at worst deliberately distorting what actually happened.BlahComment
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Yes they supported Nazis. The Nazis were behind the 2014 coup when snipers shot cops and protesters to trigger a bloodbath and frame the Ukrainian PM, the BBC interviewed one of the snipers. The Nazis were behind the massacre of dozens of people protesting the coup at Odessa and the Nazis led the assault on the east when they didn't support the coup - the Azov regiment is based in Mariupol. Several Nazi leaders got high appointments in the new govt and the right wing in that country controls thru coercion.Originally posted by BeBro View Post
But Zelensky is a Jew! Zelensky serves them. He knows (and we know) he'd be assassinated just like the Ukrainian peace negotiator they killed. Prospects for peace dont look good when one side is killing their own negotiators. Several weeks before the coup Victoria Nuland picked Ukraine's next leader from 3 options, the guy she chose, a Nazi named Tahtynook (?), and the boxer Klitchko. She said the latter 2 need to be working for the new PM as a team from the outside.
The people of Ukraine wanted to end the war in the Donbas. Zelensky ran on ending that war and he got 74% of the vote... and the war in the Donbas kept right on going. The US wanted that war and so did the Ukrainian right wing, thats why instead of trying to broker peace we've been shipping guns and cash to Nazis. Dont be surprised, we were arming ISIS in Syria at the same time.
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Why would Nazis serve as puppets of foreigners?Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
How do you know the CIA wasn't trying to support the coup, the Nazis were trying to push the coup, and lots of assorted malcontents were also trying to push the coup?
I hate how you find evidence of these separate things and run with a vast implausible narritive with it.
Specifically what backs up your vast narrative of effective US control of a large foreign country using foreign Nazi agents? What possible good does a Ukrainian civil war do for the US? Do you think the frozen conflicts all around Russia have been instigated by the US? How has that been good for the US? Funny how Russia's neighbors find themselves hosting frozen conflicts whenever they have displeased Moscow.
The problem is that the mainstream interpretation fits all of these same facts and is vastly more plausible.Comment
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No they didn't support Nazis.Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
Maidan was not a Nazi operation. It's long known that some of these were present and that the Odessa killings happened indeed, yet none of these proves that the whole move towards the "West", which is what the Maidan protests were about, is dominantly a Nazi dev or even that Nazis are "behind" it. That's another distortion from you.The Nazis were behind the 2014 coup when snipers shot cops and protesters to trigger a bloodbath and frame the Ukrainian PM, the BBC interviewed one of the snipers.
The Nazis were behind the massacre of dozens of people protesting the coup at Odessa and the Nazis led the assault on the east when they didn't support the coup - the Azov regiment is based in Mariupol. Several Nazi leaders got high appointments in the new govt and the right wing in that country controls thru coercion.
No, he doesn't serve Nazis.But Zelensky is a Jew! Zelensky serves them.
So you can mind-read him? Congrats.He knows (and we know) he'd be assassinated just like the Ukrainian peace negotiator they killed.
Prospects for peace dont look good when Russia is committing the biggest warcrimes in Europe since WW2.Prospects for peace dont look good when one side is killing their own negotiators. Several weeks before the coup Victoria Nuland picked Ukraine's next leader from 3 options, the guy she chose, a Nazi named Tahtynook (?), and the boxer Klitchko. She said the latter 2 need to be working for the new PM as a team from the outside.
The people of Ukraine wanted to end the war in the Donbas. Zelensky ran on ending that war and he got 74% of the vote... and the war in the Donbas kept right on going. The US wanted that war and so did the Ukrainian right wing, thats why instead of trying to broker peace we've been shipping guns and cash to Nazis. Dont be surprised, we were arming ISIS in Syria at the same time.
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Great threadjack here! So to blend with the topic....
China is full of Nazis and Shanghai is proof!
Discuss..."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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China is a totalitarian dictatorship with a penchant for racial hegemony, so probably?Indifference is BlissComment
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I think the American counterparts to this explain where some of our member's views come from. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/20/w...bQ1Du50wtmOEJg“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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I think the American counterparts to this might explain some of our member's views come from.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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