Empire of Lies and brainless zombies

[Wezil]

He upgraded from Netscape.

[self biased]

who uses Bing this day in age?

[Dinner]

It literally sounds like the song to Tetris.

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[Dinner]

I understand Serb has been drinking drano. That said, I have enjoyed listening to the Soviet propaganda song "the song of the Volga boatmen".

[Wezil]

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Empire of Guys and zany brombies

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Empire of Lies and braless zombies

[Wezil]

What a twit.

[Proteus_MST]

It struck me that the thread title is a very good description of Russia.

Definitely

But here for some other brainless Zombies:

Complaint by Peter Schiff (GOP) after Zelensky gave his speech before congress:


https://twitter.com/KirstyWebeck/sta...88537658351617

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

In Soviet Russia, YOU own news outlet that lies to PUTIN.

[pchang]

It struck me that the thread title is a very good description of Russia.

[BeBMan]

So what happens in NATO once peace rings out? If Ukraine becomes the buffer state that Russia wants (Neutral but with a military and security guarantees), then that just leaves the Balkins boardering the murderous Russians (assuming the Fins don't decide to join up). I doubt they would attempt to attack through Ukraine again after the fierce resistance they are facing this time.

Also, if Ukraine does become an armed nuetral, who do they buy their weapons from? What happens if their "neutral" army starts to become powerful enough to threaten areas like Crimea (assuming, of course, that the Russians get Crimea in a settlement)?

Much depends on stuff we don't know yet - how long is the war going on, what is the outcome, what is the specific conditions/peace settlement, how will Russia look post-war. Do we still get Putin's Russia, WeakPutin, HyperPutin+++ (or equivalent).

If a "neutral" Ukraine would be like Sweden/Finland/Austria they could purchase arms where they want, or even produce some of their own, like Sweden for example.

As for NATO - currently troops levels in eastern Europe are going up, there's also talk about strong perma-presence. Despite Putin's whiny "NATO's encircling us" propaganda this has never really been the case militarily - countries joined politically, but military presence remained rather low. That is changing now for as long as needed.

Personally I'd like to see a return to meaningful security regime incl. arms control at some pt - but right now it's not the time, and also for some reason all those important ppl like Putin don't seem to listen to me

[N35t0r]

He didn't need to actually exit to make NATO look weak / sow distrust among members.

[Geronimo]

So what happens in NATO once peace rings out? If Ukraine becomes the buffer state that Russia wants (Neutral but with a military and security guarantees), then that just leaves the Balkins boardering the murderous Russians (assuming the Fins don't decide to join up). I doubt they would attempt to attack through Ukraine again after the fierce resistance they are facing this time.

Also, if Ukraine does become an armed nuetral, who do they buy their weapons from? What happens if their "neutral" army starts to become powerful enough to threaten areas like Crimea (assuming, of course, that the Russians get Crimea in a settlement)?

The resulting treaty should be treated as face saving garbage. Russia already wiped their arses with several treaties relevant to war against Ukraine so maybe the best approach would be to place Ukraine in NATO anyway and explain that the strategic circumstances had changed. Wait for a time that was convenient for Ukraine and inconvenient for Russia.

[PLATO]

So what happens in NATO once peace rings out? If Ukraine becomes the buffer state that Russia wants (Neutral but with a military and security guarantees), then that just leaves the Balkins boardering the murderous Russians (assuming the Fins don't decide to join up). I doubt they would attempt to attack through Ukraine again after the fierce resistance they are facing this time.

Also, if Ukraine does become an armed nuetral, who do they buy their weapons from? What happens if their "neutral" army starts to become powerful enough to threaten areas like Crimea (assuming, of course, that the Russians get Crimea in a settlement)?