Matt Gaetz --- innocent?

[BeBMan]

So far I don't see any evidence that his laptop has ended up in the hands of Rudy Guiliani and/or Steve Bannon.

[N35t0r]

Another laptop full of incriminating evidence that magically shows up in their hands?

Will this one be delivered to the justice department, or will we also have to take their word for it?

[-Jrabbit]

Suggested name for copycat thread: Matt Gaetz --- idiot

[Dinner]

Like anyone else I want to see the evidence first.

[Dinner]

Another laptop full of incriminating evidence that magically shows up in their hands?

Will this one be delivered to the justice department, or will we also have to take their word for it?

Last Thursday NPR was forced to retract its lies about Hunter Biden's laptop some how being Russian disinformation. To bad it took them four months to admit the truth.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/npr-correction-falsely-hunter-biden-laptop-discredited

[Uncle Sparky]

Gee... I wonder when FOXNews will admit all of their lies? Do they broadcast 24/7? They might be able to apologize and correct all the lies on Fox and Friends and Tucker Carlson over the next six to eight months if the do it in point form, without commercial beaks...

[Berzerker]

"Numerous news organizations cast doubt on the credibility of the laptop story."

lol, that was NPR's correction

yeah we lied and got caught, so now we'll cite other liars

[Berzerker]

so thats NPR's company?

[Uncle Sparky]

Sorry. I don't understand the question... Are you asking about NPR's corporate structure? Or how they are incorporated? I could look it up for you, but not too sure what you want.

Are you suggesting that a 'news' service owned by an Australian billionaire should be able to lie about anything without consequences?

[Berzerker]

You're dismissing NPRs lies by pointing to liars at Fox, thats hardly an endorsement of NPR.

[Dauphin]

The lie was that intelligence agencies discredited the laptops origins, when they had remained silent. Right?

Basic fact checking. Not even opinion.

On the defence side, many intelligence officials did express personal doubts.

Anyway, props to the threadjack distraction.

[Berzerker]

I'd like to know who and why... I figure it was just a bunch of veterans of the deep state, people like John Brennan, James Clapper, you know the usual suspects looking to curry favor with Biden and the Dems

[Dinner]

Hardly a threadjack. I simply responded to a subject Nestor brought up.

[Dauphin]

Wasn't about you. I'd already said it was in reference to BeBro.

[Kidlicious]

The lie was that intelligence agencies discredited the laptops origins, when they had remained silent. Right?

Basic fact checking. Not even opinion.

On the defence side, many intelligence officials did express personal doubts.

Anyway, props to the threadjack distraction.

Yeah. N35t0r is good at that.

[Dauphin]

I was referring to BeBro, who threadjacked himself in the OP.

[Uncle Sparky]

It seemed like satire to me. Most American politics seems like satire to me. Is Trump now doing his performance art on the beach?

[Kidlicious]

Oh yeah. lol

[Dauphin]

For Berz, the open letter arguing it was consistent with Russian behaviour were as follows. Example quote below. Typos are due to OCR issues. I have no idea who the people are, or their political affiliations. Let me know if they mean anything to you.

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal a orney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case

Signed by,

Jim Clapper

Former Director of Naaonal Intelligence

Former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence

Former Director of the Naaonal Geospaaal Intelligence Agency

Former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency

Mike Hayden

Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director, Naaonal Security Agency

Former Principal Deputy Director of Naaonal Intelligence

Leon Pane a

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Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Secretary of Defense

John Brennan

Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former White House Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Advisor

Former Director, Terrorism Threat Integraaon Center

Former Analyst and Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Thomas Finger

Former Deputy Director of Naaonal Intelligence for Analysis

Former Assistant Secretary for Intelligence and Research, Department of State

Former Chair, Naaonal Intelligence Council

Rick Ledge

Former Deputy Director, Naaonal Security Agency

John McLaughlin

Former Acang Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director, Slavic and Eurasian Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Michael Morell

Former Acang Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Mike Vickers

Former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence

Former Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Doug Wise

Former Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency

Former Senior CIA Operaaons Officer

Nick Rasmussen

Former Director, Naaonal Counterterrorism Center

Russ Travers

Former Acang Director, Naaonal Counterterrorism Center

Former Deputy Director, Naaonal Counterterrorism Center

Former Analyst of the Soviet Union and Russia, Defense Intelligence Agency

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Andy Liepman

Former Deputy Director, Naaonal Counterterrorism Center

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

John Moseman

Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director of Congressional Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Minority Staff Director, Senate Select Commi ee on Intelligence

Larry Pfeiffer

Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director, White House Situaaon Room

Jeremy Bash

Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Chief of Staff, Department of Defense

Former Chief Counsel, House Permanent Select Commi ee on Intelligence

Rodney Snyder

Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director of Intelligence Programs, Naaonal Security Council

Chief of Staaon, Central Intelligence Agency

Glenn Gerstell

Former General Counsel, Naaonal Security Agency

David B. Buckley

Former Inspector General, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Democraac Staff Director, House Permanent Select Commi ee on Intelligence

Former Counterespionage Case Officer, United States Air Force

Nada Bakos

Former Analyst and Targeang Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Pa y Brandmaier

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Deputy Associate Director for Military Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Deputy Director of Congressional Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency

James B. Bruce

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Naaonal Intelligence Council

---

Considerable work related to Russia

David Cariens

Former Intelligence Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency

50+ Years Working in the Intelligence Community

Janice Cariens

Former Operaaonal Support Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Paul Kolbe

Former Senior Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Chief, Central Eurasia Division, Central Intelligence Agency

Peter Corsell

Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency

Bre Davis

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Deputy Director of the Special Acaviaes Center for Expediaonary Operaaons, CIA

Roger Zane George

Former Naaonal Intelligence Officer

Steven L. Hall

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Chief of Russian Operaaons, Central Intelligence Agency

Kent Harrington

Former Naaonal Intelligence Officer for East Asia, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director of Public Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Chief of Staaon, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency

Don Hepburn

Former Senior Naaonal Security Execuave

Timothy D. Kilbourn

Former Dean, Sherman Kent School of Intelligence Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Former PDB Briefer to President George W. Bush, Central Intelligence Agency

Ron Marks

Former Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Twice former staff of the Republican Majority Leader

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Jonna Hiestand Mendez

Technical Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Emile Nakhleh

Former Director of the Poliacal Islam Strategic Analysis Program, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Senior Intelligence Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency

Gerald A. O’Shea

Senior Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Served four tours as Chief of Staaon, Central Intelligence Agency

David Priess

Former Analyst and Manager, Central Intelligence Agency

Former PDB Briefer, Central Intelligence Agency

Pam Purcilly

Former Deputy Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Director of the Office of Russian and European Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Former PDB Briefer to President George W. Bush, Central Intelligence Agency

Marc Polymeropoulos

Former Senior Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Acang Chief of Operaaons for Europe and Eurasia, Central Intelligence Agency

Chris Savos

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Officer

Nick Shapiro

Former Deputy Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to the Director, Central Intelligence Agency

John Sipher

Former Senior Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Deputy Chief of Russian Operaaons, Central Intelligence Agency

Stephen Slick

Former Senior Director for Intelligence Programs, Naaonal Security Council

Former Senior Operaaons Office, Central Intelligence Agency

Cynthia Strand

Former Deputy Assistant Director for Global Issues, Central Intelligence Agency

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Greg Tarbell

Former Deputy Execuave Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Analyst of the Soviet Union and Russia, Central Intelligence Agency

David Terry

Former Chairman of the Naaonal Intelligence Collecaon Board

Former Chief of the PDB, Central Intelligence Agency

Former PDB Briefer to Vice President Dick Cheney, Central Intelligence Agency

Greg Treverton

Former Chair, Naaonal Intelligence Council

John Tullius

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

David A. Vanell

Former Senior Operaaons Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Winston Wiley

Former Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency

Former Chief, Counterterrorism Center, Central Intelligence Agency

Krisan Wood

Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency

Former PDB Briefer, Central Intelligence Agency

[Kidlicious]

So was Brennan. These people are liars.

[Berzerker]

the media forgot to emphasize these people didn't know a damn thing about the emails... but they gave the media the cover to dismiss them as Russian disinformation so the story was not only buried but censored before the election

[Dinner]

So basically all a bunch of career Democrat hacks who we all expect to lie?

[BeBMan]

Anyway, props to the threadjack distraction.

We gotta thank Matt for providing the opportunity

[N35t0r]

Last Thursday NPR was forced to retract its lies about Hunter Biden's laptop some how being Russian disinformation. To bad it took them four months to admit the truth.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/npr-co...op-discredited

Um, what is the truth then? Because it not being russian disinformation doesn't exactly leave just one alternative option.

In any case, I don't really care either way. I'm happy biden won only because he (and Dems in general) takes climate change seriously (or seriouser than Repubs at least), which is what's most likely to affect me in the long run.

[Dinner]

It was his laptop, always was, and the lie Biden and his allies spewed about it being a secret Russian plot was always just a lie. Now, was it anything illegal, no, our laws were written by politicians to enable a lot of corrupt ****. It was and is all bad in that Biden was obviously deeply involved, despite his lies denying it, in selling influence to personally enrich himself, his family, and his friends. Again, we've sadly legalized corruption so it wasn't legal but it all obviously stunk and all was obviously dirty and that is why Biden chose to lie claiming he knew nothing about it even though he obviously was deeply involved (thus the 20% personal cut for Biden) thus his campaign's deflections, refusal to answer questions, and smears falsely claiming it was some how disinformation when he knew damn well it was all true. He just wanted to get through the election before admitting it.

It also shows his son was smoking crack and banging hoomers the entire time using daddy's money and that Biden knew this even if he disapproved. Again just embarrassing stuff which would have hurt him in the election so Biden and his campaign chose to lie, and lie, and then lie some more. As a side note I am sure Biden was very upset his crackhead son dropped off and then forgot about a laptop with such revealing information on it.

[Kidlicious]

I doubt it's the case that the feds can't charge HB with a crime. They just likely won't because they are corrupt too.