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    So all the popular places are talking about Gamestop, so shouldn't we?

    I sorta think we don't need to talk about if we bought it and if we did, when, but rather... what does this mean for the efficient-market hypothesis? And what does this mean for the stock market's relation to the economy?

    And I guess, is the rest of the market going down because GME is going up?

    I have long been suspicious of the efficient-market hypothesis, but I do admit that I had bias. It does seem though that there are many many cases of long term market inefficiencies, and in some cases they arguably become permanent (Tesla?). I think that this might encourage people in the Biden administration (or left leaning congress persons) to push to increase regulation of the finance sector which they might otherwise ignore to focus on more interesting things.

    I also have recently started to think that the economy doing bad can cause stocks to go up. This is in part to explain the last year, not just GME. The people who were hurting were not really part of the stock market, and the people who weren't hurting were no longer spending money going to games or shows or vacations or starting businesses, rather they were staying at home... with excess money... so might as well invest in equities... which always go up if you hold long enough. Even businesses and the rich, in many areas, would want to wait for non-equity investments until they saw the wind blowing before making non-stock market investments. All this, and the need-blind support of governments, caused the market to go up while real suffering went up.

    Maybe I haven't put enough hooks, or trolled enough, to start a conversation. I don't really want to say that someone's career is doesn't provide value or anything just to troll though.

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  • #2
    Market seems efficient enough to me. Short sellers artificially lower stock price -> investors see this and buy stock -> market goes back to equilibrium with short sellers a little poorer and the investors a little richer. Only thing new is coordination between small time investors acting as a kind of anti-hedgefund.
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    • #3
      AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc., the theatre chain that has been ravaged by the pandemic, posted a quarterly loss this month exceeding $900 million.
      It appears, however, that AMC has become the next battleground in the fight between smaller, retail investors and Wall Street. Shares of AMC spiked 260 per cent when trading began Wednesday and #SaveAMC is trending on Twitter.
      There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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      • #4
        The short sellers loved it when they were making money then cried and screamed for regulations when they lost money. They're idiots because this is how markets work.
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        • #5
          I think it's healthy to expose the disconnect between the stock market and the economy. The Dow Jones and NASDAQ going up does not put food on the table or pay the rent for average Americans.

          Fascinating to see what a bunch of redditors with an idea and some determination can do against the hedge fund - finance establishment.
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          • #6
            There is nothing wrong with short selling in and of itself. Short selling does not cause a stock price to drop, it only anticipates it.
            No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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            • #7
              More to the point, any amount of bulk selling will cause a stock to drop, because supply goes up relative to demand -- just as bulk buying will cause a stock to rise, because demand outstrips supply. Are we then going to ban bulk trading of any kind? May as well.
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                The short sellers loved it when they were making money then cried and screamed for regulations when they lost money. They're idiots because this is how markets work.
                Idiots? They probably know how the market is "supposed" to work, they just don't want equal treatment.

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                • #9
                  I disagree with Gribbler.
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                  • #10
                    I’m reminded of the Chinese trader(s) a few years back who shorted more copper than existed in the market. That was genius.
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                    • #11
                      Now Robinhood is stopping GameStop sales to their own customers. Unable to document online claims that they are forcibly selling customer shares without their express permission. Which would be theft. No restriction on the hedge funds though!

                      I smell a lawsuit coming.
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                      • Egbert
                        Egbert commented
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                        Your sense of smell is working well. A class action has been filed against Robin Hood.

                    • #12
                      Originally posted by giblets View Post

                      Idiots? They probably know how the market is "supposed" to work, they just don't want equal treatment.
                      Given that short sellers supposedly had shorts on 140% of the total stock it is clear that last 40% of the 140% was naked short selling which is illegal. So, no, they don't want equality, they are upset they lost and that criminal activity on the side of the short sellers will probably be exposed. All they did was make bets, they lost those bets, and now they are crying. **** them.
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                      • Egbert
                        Egbert commented
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                        Shorting 140% of total stock demonstrates a disregard for risk management. If somebody noticed they could buy up physical stock and extract whatever price they wanted. Hang on, that is exactly what happened LOL

                      • Thoth
                        Thoth commented
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                        This is not correct. It is quite possible to have over 100% short interest without any shenanigans.

                    • #13
                      Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                      There is nothing wrong with short selling in and of itself. Short selling does not cause a stock price to drop, it only anticipates it.
                      It does if it is a naked short sell meaning shorting it without actually borrowing an equal amount of the stock to the short. Naked short selling effectively increases the amount of the stock supposedly available and was made illegal as it does drive down stock prices by artificially making supply seem higher than it is. Supposedly short sellers made shorts equal to 140% of total stock available in Gamestop so, yes, a hell of a lot of illegal naked short selling was going on.

                      THAT is what needs to be investigated as that is already illegal yet barely ever enforced.
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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                        The short sellers loved it when they were making money then cried and screamed for regulations when they lost money. They're idiots because this is how markets work.
                        Yeah. Wall Street has been doing this to us on a regular basis. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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                        • #15


                          Motley Fool says that in some cases due to multiple people borrowing a stock to short it can occur but in my mind any time the amount of stock being borrowed is over 100% of the total stocks available then someone is obviously naked short selling. I am open to hearing more though.

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                          • N35t0r
                            N35t0r commented
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                            I'm definitely not very well versed in these kinds of things, but I think it goes (using only one single share for clarity):
                            *Short seller (SS) 'loans' the share from original owner (OO)
                            *SS sells it to New Owner
                            *SS (or another short seller) can now borrow that share and short it again
                            * This can go on indefinitely

                            It's like fractional reserve banking, only there is no reserve. WCGW
                            Last edited by N35t0r; January 29, 2021, 03:26.
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