Who do you hope wins the 2020 Presidential elections?

[BlackCat]

We need to defeat the extremists.

That is the main reason not to reelect Trump

[Jon Miller]

I don't have delusions of healing the nation. We need to defeat the extremists. They will never let you alone. Nothing will ever be enough. They are fighting forever, like nazis and communists.

so what is the end game you see for your side?

is it pogroms or re-education camps or civil war?

how do you think that is acceptable?

jm

[Kidlicious]

so what is the end game you see for your side?

is it pogroms or re-education camps or civil war?

how do you think that is acceptable?

jm

I have no idea. I pray for Jesus to return. It's hard to even pray for this nation to return to God because we move farther and farther away.

[giblets]

Wait, I thought God was omnipresent?

[pchang]

This explains why Zee and Kid get along. Each in their own way is hoping for the end times to arrive.

[Jon Miller]

One could present the primary as a contest for two different approaches to solve the problem of division.

Bernies solution was a revolution, basically much more active young adults and Hispanics. The claim was that then the right would be a significant minority and the nation would be healed.

Joes solution was to convince some of the center right to support him and defeat Trump. He then posits that the division will be healed once Trump is gone, that the right will stay Important but will no longer be extremists.

it seems to me that the Solution you put forward from the right is just entirely unacceptable either in the short or middle or long term.

jm

[Kidlicious]

One could present the primary as a contest for two different approaches to solve the problem of division.

Bernies solution was a revolution, basically much more active young adults and Hispanics. The claim was that then the right would be a significant minority and the nation would be healed.

Joes solution was to convince some of the center right to support him and defeat Trump. He then posits that the division will be healed once Trump is gone, that the right will stay Important but will no longer be extremists.

it seems to me that the Solution you put forward from the right is just entirely unacceptable either in the short or middle or long term.

jm

The way we see it the last 4 years have been a permanent coup, which will continue even if we win the election. We have already been cheated. The Democrats will not accept defeat in the election, and probably won't concede.

The Democrats want to make us a minority by intimidation, in the street everywhere. You even said that you want to make us a minority and dominate us. That's peace through victory. That's not healing. I don't know what you people will do to us, but it will be bad.

[Jon Miller]

you are concerned about Biden? He was VP for 8 years and a senator for decades before that

and his idea is that Trump is radicalizing the Right... And the radical right will lose power with Trump that is not winning by domination

Bernies idea is that that the radical right is a small minority which is Also not winning by domination

neither theory has any problem in the long term if it is right .

in the theory you posit where the division is unsolvable, considering that the right is a minority that has power through the EC... how is there any other solution where the US continues as a democratic state?

jm

[Kidlicious]

you are concerned about Biden? He was VP for 8 years and a senator for decades before that

and his idea is that Trump is radicalizing the Right... And the radical right will lose power with Trump that is not winning by domination

Bernies idea is that that the radical right is a small minority which is Also not winning by domination

neither theory has any problem in the long term if it is right .

in the theory you posit where the division is unsolvable, considering that the right is a minority that has power through the EC... how is there any other solution where the US continues as a democratic state?

jm

Extremists on both sides need to be minimized. The thing about extremists is they always have to attack their enemies. So there will be no peace or healing.

I don't expect Biden to be the President for long

[Ming]

The way we see it the last 4 years have been a permanent coup, which will continue even if we win the election. We have already been cheated. The Democrats will not accept defeat in the election, and probably won't concede.

Gee... a permanent coup... and exactly what have you been "cheated" out of. Trump took his rightful place in the White House and has ruled since then. And yeah, there was an Impeachment.
Congress was just DOING THEIR JOB in their constitutional role as oversight, part of the checks and balances built into the Constitution. The Democrats didn't complain they deserved another four years when the Republicans impeached Clinton.

Trump is on record saying he's not sure if he will accept the results of the election. Talk about a coup...

The Democrats want to make us a minority by intimidation, in the street everywhere. You even said that you want to make us a minority and dominate us. That's peace through victory. That's not healing. I don't know what you people will do to us, but it will be bad.

[/quote]

Blah Blah Blah... just posting stuff spoon fed to you by your alt right fake news sites.
The FACTS are simple. The split in this country has gotten worse during Trumps four years in office. It is ALREADY BAD.
Anybody that thinks it will get "better" with another four years of Trump is just crazy.

[Jon Miller]

I can understand the right and center right being a lot more concerned about Harris then Biden.

that was part of her problem, she was more acceptable to the center left then Sanders ( or maybe Warren) but could not make as convincable case as Biden and others of being able to reach the center right

jm

[Kidlicious]

I'm not going to get into all that, but the whole spying on political opponents and then just saying it's not spaying or whatever is obvious bs. So as long as you do that it's no shock that you deny everything.

[Kidlicious]

I can understand the right and center right being a lot more concerned about Harris then Biden.

that was part of her problem, she was more acceptable to the center left then Sanders ( or maybe Warren) but could not make as convincable case as Biden and others of being able to reach the center right

jm

It really doesn't matter. The Obama administration was corrupt. They spied on political opponents. Biden was at the meeting and suggested using the Logan act on Flynn. Few people believe that Biden cares about policy at all. Obama was a true believer. Biden doesn't care. He does whatever is in his own interest. He isn't going to oppose the extremists much if he wins. No Ds are challenging the extremists.

[SlowwHand]

Sparky,I didn't buy into anything.
I said that I don't like it and I don't.
I said that it's not the same as absentee and it's not.

As far as you're concerned, Ming, I knew that I was pissing into the wind.
Anyone that puts Obama into office in Illinois and then puts him in the White House and likes him, and THEN elects the sister of Beetlejuice as mayor, well what's the point?

[Uncle Sparky]

The Conservative Party of Canada just finished a leadership race. 100% of the voting was done with mail in ballots. No reason for you not to like it except for Trumpian propaganda.

[giblets]

Howie Hawkins!

[N35t0r]

I sincerely hope Biden wins. Trump is dismantling the EPA.

[Ming]

Anyone that puts Obama into office in Illinois and then puts him in the White House and likes him, and THEN elects the sister of Beetlejuice as mayor, well what's the point?

The "sister of Beetlejuice"... really.
And this coming from somebody who likes and helped put in office the most lying president in modern history... yeah, what's the point

[Docfeelgood]

Would you have preferred that lying Hilary?

[Uncle Sparky]

Absolutely. The Clinton's never consulted witch doctors. And which president consulted astrologers again? I seem to recall the Reagans had regular readings.

[ricketyclik]

I pray for Jesus to return.

Yeah, he'll fix those extremists