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I agree with that, Twitter's caught in the middle. The Democrats are behind this, they've been coercing these outlets to 'stop propaganda' while allowing theirs. People should really look into that so-called Russian invasion of our election. Troll farms spent about 100k before and after the election on click bait largely unrelated to Trump and Clinton. We've never seen these ads, I haven't. If thats the evidence, why dont we get to see it? I'd like to see all these ads that have become an excuse for censorship.
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The Constitution is silent about exempting religion from taxation, I'm sure pastors/preachers had to pay sales taxes and/or tariffs imposed by the feds. Besides, the congressional power to tax supercedes our rights. It aint about punishing religion, its the religious who are demanding special treatment and by granting it Congress has violated the opening words of the Bill of Rights - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Why are non-believers required to subsidize the believers? Doesn't sound like religious freedom to me.Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostYou are a poster child for why the constitution supports making religions tax except, and that is because so many people are motivated to punish due to religious (or anti-religious) motivations. As I pointed out earlier, sin taxes (like you have seemed to support, with 'tax the churches' cry) is effectively punishing and discriminating against religions. This has often been the main vehicle of religious discrimination in Europe and the Islamic world.
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I see, so the people who brought us 3 years of Russia Gate will decide the facts. I thought the Dems were calling for censorship, will they fact check everyone or just Trump? Like Schiff and Pelosi?
I wonder what these fact checkers were doing during Russia Gate. I see Google hired Patricia Karlan to their content board. She gave us the line during impeachment about Trump naming his son Barron doesn't make him a Baron.
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It is outrageous that Twitter would allow something so blatantly sensible and statesmanlike... Obama obviously tweeted this just to make Trump look bad. (
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Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
Twitter is exempt from liability laws to promote free speech
The Democrats have been trying to coerce such platforms into censoring speech they dont like
"Dont hide behind the 1st Amendment" - Don Lemon of CNN advocating for censorship
1. Twitter have a policy, on things like hateful speech. They enforce it or they don’t. So far Trump has been given way more latitude than the average user, and has not censored anything of his. His tweets are still accessible.
2. I don’t see what the Democrats saying or doing is relevant, unless you are saying Twitter is just getting collateral damage - damned no matter what it does. Trump targets Twitter as a Dem proxy?
3. I get more the impression he is attacking Twitter because his base is more liable to breach hateful speech policy on the platform, and he wants that hateful speech out there.
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Megachurches, televangelists... there's plenty of grifters using religion to make themselves rich. Claiming I'm biased and demanding a "sin tax" is just projection on your part.
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I pointed out that Mormon was probably the exception. Scientology often doesn't classify as a religion and definitely has sales... if you don't count those as sales and count it as a religion, it would also be an exception.Originally posted by giblets View Post
Do you really think the church of Scientology or the Mormon church don't make any profit? lol
They are both an incredibly small part of organized religion, you could tax profit (ie take away the tax except status) and 99.9% of churches in the US would pay not a dime. Even taxing sales would do almost nothing for any church. Only taxing property would be meaningful and would mostly penalize old denominations which are currently much weaker than in the past, like Catholics.
I think there is a real argument for taking away the main special favor, which is taxable deductions. Basically, these end up being highly distortionary and heavily favor the rich. It is important to take away all though and not just religious (it is the poor and middle class that give to religious organizations, the upper class and wealthy primarily give to other organizations with heavily classed based benefits).
You are a poster child for why the constitution supports making religions tax except, and that is because so many people are motivated to punish due to religious (or anti-religious) motivations. As I pointed out earlier, sin taxes (like you have seemed to support, with 'tax the churches' cry) is effectively punishing and discriminating against religions. This has often been the main vehicle of religious discrimination in Europe and the Islamic world.
JM
(I am also willing to bet that Mormons could employ some of the most ethical of all accountants/etc and still would find themselves paying minimal taxes on profits.)
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Do you really think the church of Scientology or the Mormon church don't make any profit? lolOriginally posted by Jon Miller View Post
Other forms of entertainment only pay taxes on profits or sales. Churches do not have the former and for the most part do not have the latter.
The call to tax churches/religion (other than property taxes) is effectively making them a special class that pays much more taxes than anything else. It is effectively a 'sin' tax on organized religion.
There is a reason it is an obvious no-go in the US.
JM
(property taxes are a thing though... )
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Twitter is exempt from liability laws to promote free speechOriginally posted by Dauphin View PostCommander’n’Twit is pushing full irony mode, attacking Twitter for alleged free speech violations (does he think Twitter is a government agency?) whilst also threatening to shut it down. All on Twitter itself.
What’s the play here? Petulance? Or is picking a fight with Twitter part of a campaign strategy?
The Democrats have been trying to coerce such platforms into censoring speech they dont like
"Dont hide behind the 1st Amendment" - Don Lemon of CNN advocating for censorship
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Commander’n’Twit is pushing full irony mode, attacking Twitter for alleged free speech violations (does he think Twitter is a government agency?) whilst also threatening to shut it down. All on Twitter itself.
What’s the play here? Petulance? Or is picking a fight with Twitter part of a campaign strategy?
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Kayleigh McEnany - attractive yet annoying as hell. I wish she would stop using the podium as a live Twitter rant fest.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...nspiracy-cult/
For a host of different reasons, core Republican voters have begun to reconstitute themselves as a conspiracy theory cult devoted to beliefs that were once relegated to the farthest fringe–fictions that cannot help but end in civil conflict and violence if they fully become canon among conservative voters nationwide.Last edited by Ted Striker; May 26, 2020, 21:10.
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