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Do you have to give them a special object to make them evolve into the desired form? And do they stay evolved, or is it some temporary bull**** like in Digimon?
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Yo, welcome back, Elok. I don't know enough about pokemon to respond humorously.
To reply with a little less snark and a little more explanation...Originally posted by Lancer View Post
Quantum mechanics does not define an "observer" in any formal way. However, we are observers, so the results of quantum mechanical experiments that we record are filtered through that undeniable fact. But here's what the theory says:
Quantum states are linear, which means you can add two or more together to produce a new, viable state. |A> and |B> mix and become |A> + |B>. |A> + |B> is a state and as real as anything else. It "evolves according to the Schrodinger equation," as I said, which just means you can do some math to see what happens to |A> + |B> over time and you will always get the same result, just as if you analyzed the trajectory of a ball accelerated by some force.
But there are certain observable properties of a quantum system we might want to measure from time to time. We define these observables for ourselves (because they're useful, or familiar, or easy): position, momentum, energy, particle number, etc. Depending on what observable we choose, we might be able to describe the state of the system as |A> + |B>. If so, when we perform the measurement, the device will record the system as being either in state |A> or state B>, rather than the |A> + |B>.
Those are the known facts. "Nothing is there when you're not looking" is grand and unnecessary speculation beyond what the science has told us. Wave functions evolve according to the Schrodinger equation whether we're looking or not. What we happen to see when we do look is our problem, not reality's.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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Elok left?Last edited by Dinner; December 26, 2019, 00:14.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Elok always takes a break around holidays.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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I think you are sweeping the 'measurement problem' under the rug, Lori.
I think that the Copenhagen Interpretation (which you are trying to present) is a perfectly reasonable approach and position to hold, but to say 'that is science' and the other views (including out-there ones like superdeterminism, considered by 't Hooft) are not is not really fair or scientific.
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Hmm, not my intention. I was trying to be interpretation-agnostic by not discussing what happens during measurement, only what happens to wave functions and what we end up observing. Maybe there's collapse, maybe there's splitting off into multiple worlds, maybe there's non-local hidden variables, whatever. What we know is what the math says and what experimental results show, and I don't think from that you can conclude that stuff doesn't exist when not observed.
But this is what you and KH get for leaving the forum. It's left to a guy who took undegrad quantum mechanics and a philosophy of quantum physics course (from this guy) to explain this stuff.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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How often,do you think, does he get addressed as "Bub" in a Warner Brothers / Bowery Boys accent?No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Ahh, yet all those youtube physicists share my understanding. Very wise of them too.Originally posted by Lorizael View PostLong time member @ Apolyton
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That you were trying to be interpretation-agnostic explains why I thought you were trying to present the Copenhagen interpretation.
I don't think I had any interactions with Bub, Maryland is a big place.
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Your repeated use of the word "trying" is telling.
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I'm not here either. Move along...Speaking of Erith:
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Wisdom! Btw I assumed you weren't here when I saw you.Long time member @ Apolyton
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So many old timers coming back. Fantastic.The Wizard of AAHZComment
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