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  • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
    Democrats think they can conduct a corrupt process. When people call it corrupt they just call it legal, which isn't a legitimate argument. Then they talk about what the corrupt hearing turned out, a literal half-truth, as if it weren't corrupted. It's the eat your cake and have it too problem. That's a problem that is recurring on the left. You see it over and over again.
    Wrong. The current proceedings are using GOP rules, enacted in 2015 during the Benghazi hearings. Here, I'll let Fox News explain it to you:

    The “Fox & Friends” panel was all set Thursday to scorch the Democrats for closed-door questioning in the impeachment investigation — until Fox’s own legal analyst noted that the setup was approved by Republicans.

    Former judge Andrew Napolitano explained that House Republicans were protesting their own rules for impeachment investigations when they stormed the closed-door session on Wednesday. The questioning took place in a secure room to protect possible classified information.

    The “initial level of inquiry” in an impeachment probe can be conducted “in secret,” as sanctioned in rules passed by the GOP, Napolitano noted.
    “I read the House rules, and as frustrating as it may be to have these hearings going on behind closed doors, the hearings for which Congressman [Adam] Schiff is presiding, they are consistent with the rules,” Napolitano said.

    It was January 2015 and Republican John Boehner was the speaker of the House when the rules were written, he noted. “Who enacted them? A Republican majority.”

    Napolitano compared the current questioning to what goes on during a grand jury investigation, which is never public, even though a subsequent trial is.

    What’s going on now “are not the impeachment hearings,” Napolitano explained. “Eventually, there will be a public presentation of this, at which lawyers for the president can cross-examine ... and challenge” witnesses, he added.

    As for the Republican lawmakers’ “protest,” Napolitano said: “I get it. The Republicans are frustrated and they wanted to make a point ... but this is just not the most effective way to show respect for what your colleagues are doing.”

    Witness interviews during President Richard Nixon’s and President Bill Clinton’s impeachment investigations were also conducted behind closed doors initially, Napolitano noted.

    Republicans held a closed-door investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over the 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi, Libya. Their final report on the probe argued that closed hearings were more productive when seeking the truth
    Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
    RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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    • Remember JR... in Kidiotland, when dems do ANYTHING, it's illegal, corrupt, not fair... blah blah blah
      But when Repugs do the exact same thing, it's OK.

      We are used to this kind of behavior from trumpette sheeple.
      Keep on Civin'
      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • The leaking half-truth con is the corrupt process. There is nothing wrong with closed door hearings. I never said there was. In fact I called it a show trial.
        Last edited by Kidlicious; October 25, 2019, 02:37.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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        • -Jrabbit
          -Jrabbit commented
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          Sounds like exactly what Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes spent most of the Obama years doing.

      • show tri·al
        /SHō ˈtrī(ə)l/
        noun
        1. a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • -Jrabbit
          -Jrabbit commented
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          Well, all testimony is behind closed doors, and there's no judge involved, so using your own definition, these proceedings do not qualify as a "show trial"

      • Moscow Trials

        The Moscow Trials were a series of trials held in the Soviet Union at the instigation of Joseph Stalinbetween 1936 and 1938 against Trotskyists and members of Right Opposition of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, including head of the NKVD, Nikolai Yezhov, the perpetrator of the Great Purge, for his large number of purges.[1] There were three Moscow Trials: the Case of the Trotskyite-Zinovievite Terrorist Center (Zinoviev-Kamenev Trial, aka "Trial of the Sixteen," 1936), the Case of the Anti-Soviet Trotskyist Center (Pyatakov-Radek Trial, 1937), and the Case of the Anti-Soviet "Bloc of Rights and Trotskyites" (Bukharin-Rykov Trial, aka "Trial of the Twenty-One," 1938).

        The defendants of these were Old Bolshevik party leaders and top officials of the Soviet secret police. Most defendants were charged under Article 58 of the RSFSR Penal Code with conspiring with the western powers to assassinate Stalin and other Soviet leaders, dismember the Soviet Union, and restore capitalism.

        The Moscow Trials led to the execution of many of the defendants. They are generally seen as part of Stalin's Great Purge, an attempt to rid the party of current or prior oppositionists, especially but not exclusively Trotskyists, and any leading Bolshevik cadre from the time of the Russian Revolution or earlier, who might even potentially become a figurehead for the growing discontent in the Soviet populace resulting from Stalin's mismanagement of the economy.[2] Stalin's hasty industrialization during the period of the First Five Year Plan and the brutality of the forced agricultural collectivization had led to an acute economic and political crisis in 1928-33, a part of the global problem known as the Great Depression, and to enormous suffering on the part of the Soviet workers and peasants. Stalin was acutely conscious of this fact and took steps to prevent it taking the form of an opposition inside the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to his increasingly totalitarian rule.[2]
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • -Jrabbit
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          That makes no sense at all. 10-to-1 you didn't even know what the Moscow Trials were until your little media friends told you.

      • Durham's investigation into government misconduct is now a criminal investigation.

        The upgrade seems to be warranted by evidence obtained from or about Mifsud.
        Last edited by Kidlicious; October 25, 2019, 03:13.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • Comparing the current hearings to the Moscow Trials...
          Which Alt Right trumpette site is providing the sheeple with that kind of nonsense...

          Just more distractions to keep the trumpettes from actually concentrating on the fact that the current president is totally corrupt and one big liar.
          Keep on Civin'
          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • Nancy Pelosi is literally Stalin

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            • Kid just shows the same attention span our senile president does.
              But he's the 'besttest senile president EVER'.
              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • Originally posted by giblets View Post
                Nancy Pelosi is literally Stalin
                People didn't know that Stalin was Stalin. He was just a radical leftist like every single Democrat.
                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                • JR. If you want to keep your head in the sand like you did during the Russia investigation that's your business but it's getting old.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • I love watching brain dead republicans complaining about rules they created.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • Originally posted by giblets View Post
                      Nancy Pelosi is literally Stalin
                      Pretty weak sauce for Stalin, with no firing squad in sight. But maybe Trump is still hoping for the lynching to be concluded before
                      Blah

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                      • He was just a radical leftist like every single Democrat.
                        Yeah, and every Alt Right Repug is a stupid moron that will believe any lies and crap the right want to feed them

                        I know a lot of Dems that are NOT radical leftists
                        and I know a lot Repubs who aren't sheeple and stupid.

                        Your lame attempts to paint with a broad brush are what's getting old here
                        Keep on Civin'
                        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • Originally posted by BeBro View Post

                          Pretty weak sauce for Stalin, with no firing squad in sight. But maybe Trump is still hoping for the lynching to be concluded before
                          When you abandon your principles it's only a matter of time.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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