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Originally posted by Serb View Post
Lies!
15K slaughtered after Kiev have signed a cease-fire treaty after its defeat, known as Minsk agreement. The agreement, which let Ukraine to keep Donbass insde Ukraine after some reforms.
They have spit on those agreements and keep killing civilians day after day.
Do you honestly think we could tolarate that forever?
As for spitting on agreements...what part of the agreements were the Russians and separatists not spitting on? Who honors a stillborn agreement? Nonetheless, the Ukrainians inexplicably did a hell of a lot more to honor every part of those agreements for the separatists than Russia ever did for...well any separatists from Russia.
Originally posted by Serb View PostWhen they were (and still are intentinally aiming and killing civilians) you are absolutely ok with that, as long as those civilians are Russians.
You are a bloody lying mofos! Always were and always will be!
You are just a lying monsters!
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Originally posted by Geronimo View Post
Russia has shown itself far more efficient at killing civilians in the Donbas, in Chechnya, and in Syria.
In Iraq alone you have killed a million under a false claim.
As for spitting on agreements...what part of the agreements were the Russians and separatists not spitting on? Who honors a stillborn agreement? Nonetheless, the Ukrainians inexplicably did a hell of a lot more to honor every part of those agreements for the separatists than Russia ever did for...well any separatists from Russia.
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Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements
1. Immediate and comprehensive ceasefire in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation as of 15 February 2015, 12am local time.
2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides by equal distances in order to create a security zone of at least 50km wide from each other for the artillery systems of caliber of 100 and more, a security zone of 70km wide for MLRS and 140km wide for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and Tactical Missile Systems (Tochka, Tochka U): -for the Ukrainian troops: from the de facto line of contact; -for the armed formations from certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine: from the line of contact according to the Minsk Memorandum of Sept. 19th, 2014; The withdrawal of the heavy weapons as specified above is to start on day 2 of the ceasefire at the latest and be completed within 14 days. The process shall be facilitated by the OSCE and supported by the Trilateral Contact Group.
3. Ensure effective monitoring and verification of the ceasefire regime and the withdrawal of heavy weapons by the OSCE from day 1 of the withdrawal, using all technical equipment necessary, including satellites, drones, radar equipment, etc.
4. Launch a dialogue, on day 1 of the withdrawal, on modalities of local elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine “On interim local self-government order in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions” as well as on the future regime of these areas based on this law. Adopt promptly, by no later than 30 days after the date of signing of this document a Resolution of the Parliament of Ukraine specifying the area enjoying a special regime, under the Law of Ukraine “On interim self-government order in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions”, based on the line of the Minsk Memorandum of September 19, 2014.
5. Ensure pardon and amnesty by enacting the law prohibiting the prosecution and punishment of persons in connection with the events that took place in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine.
6. Ensure release and exchange of all hostages and unlawfully detained persons, based on the principle “all for all”. This process is to be finished on the day 5 after the withdrawal at the latest.
7. Ensure safe access, delivery, storage, and distribution of humanitarian assistance to those in need, on the basis of an international mechanism.
8. Definition of modalities of full resumption of socio-economic ties, including social transfers such as pension payments and other payments (incomes and revenues, timely payments of all utility bills, reinstating taxation within the legal framework of Ukraine). To this end, Ukraine shall reinstate control of the segment of its banking system in the conflict-affected areas and possibly an international mechanism to facilitate such transfers shall be established.
9. Reinstatement of full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine throughout the conflict area, starting on day 1 after the local elections and ending after the comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions on the basis of the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) to be finalized by the end of 2015, provided that paragraph 11 has been implemented in consultation with and upon agreement by representatives of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.
10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under monitoring of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.
11. Carrying out constitutional reform in Ukraine with a new constitution entering into force by the end of 2015 providing for decentralization as a key element (including a reference to the specificities of certain areas in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with the representatives of these areas), as well as adopting permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in line with measures as set out in the footnote until the end of 2015.
12. Based on the Law of Ukraine “On interim local self-government order in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions”, questions related to local elections will be discussed and agreed upon with representatives of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. Elections will be held in accordance with relevant OSCE standards and monitored by OSCE/ODIHR.
13. Intensify the work of the Trilateral Contact Group including through the establishment of working groups on the implementation of relevant aspects of the Minsk agreements. They will reflect the composition of the Trilateral Contact Group.
Participants of the Trilateral Contact Group:
Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini___________________
Second President of Ukraine, L. D. Kuchma___________________
Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine, M. Yu. Zurabov___________________
A.W. Zakharchenko ___________________
I.W. Plotnitski___________________
Read it!
And keep in mind that A.W. Zakharchenko have been killed in a terrorist strike (a bomb blast at a restaurant) by the Ukrainian special service after he had signed it.
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Originally posted by Geronimo View Post
As for spitting on agreements...what part of the agreements were the Russians and separatists not spitting on? Who honors a stillborn agreement? Nonetheless, the Ukrainians inexplicably did a hell of a lot more to honor every part of those agreements for the separatists than Russia ever did for...well any separatists from Russia.
That was a fkn capitulation!!!
And they have signed it!!!
Instead of fullfil itm they have started to kill civilians thanks to you western help!
They have murdered people for an 8 years and this blood is on YOUR HANDS TOO, F*CKER!!!
. A lot more civilian corpses have turned up everywhere the Russians can reach with their special military operation in 5 months than ever did in 10 years of Nazi Ukrainian genocide campaigns. Makes me wonder which side really has the lying monsters. Russian special military operations vastly speed up and expand maiming and killing of ethnically Russian civilians. I guess you are absolutely ok with that and will happily tolerate that forever.
A ****** cowards!
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During those 5 months we have used a TEN times more precision strikes munitions, than you and your NATO lackeys did since 1991 in all your military agressions around the World.
Because we care about the human lives, unlike you!
What you did to Falujah with your artillery should make you shut the f*ck-up forever!!!
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