found the solution to US gun violence

[Kidlicious]

Murder - intentional
Accident - not

Is it an accident when someone in your family gets hit by a drunk or reckless driver?

[Docfeelgood]

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[Kidlicious]

That's racist because someone trolled woke liberals and they fell for it!

[Docfeelgood]

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[BeBMan]

Is it an accident when someone in your family gets hit by a drunk or reckless driver?

Just look up the meanings of "intentional" and "accidental" if you're unsure, then see to prove one or the other is the case in A,B, C/whatever

[Kidlicious]

Just look up the meanings of "intentional" and "accidental" if you're unsure, then see to prove one or the other is the case in A,B, C/whatever

You used a nuance and so did I.

[Kidlicious]

The second shooter had Trump Derangement Syndrome. Can't tell if that was his motive, but he basically had a few (or Uncle Sparky) world view. We do need to talk about social media because people like that get more rage bait on social media than people on the right.

Also, the second shooter had more of a typical Democrat world view. People like that get rewarded for their hatred, unlike the first shooter that was likely isolated politically and socially.

[giblets]

I guess 9/11 was no big deal because smoking kills more people.

[BeBMan]

It's so deadly that in the future the NRA will promote the idea of a good guy with a cig being able to scare shooters/terrorists away.

[Kidlicious]

I guess 9/11 was no big deal because smoking kills more people.

Nobody is saying that mass shootings aren't bad. Please try to make one decent argument

[Dry]

That thing doesn't happen in other countries. Only in yours.
There must be a reason.

It is guns and an uncaring society.

I am not so sure it is the guns themsleves, but more how guns are perceived by gun owners.

I remember a video about gun owners in Switzerland, a country that is in the top 5 for gun ownership per capita.
What struck me was the answers to the question of "why do you have/own a(so many) gun(s)?".
The swiss answers where about fun, sport, collection, history, they liked guns. Not a single one was about protection of self or defense of their rights or liberty.
The US number one answer to why they own guns is protection against evil people, fight for your rights and fight for your freedom.
This means the US gun owner sees his gun as a perfectly ok tool when he feels threatens by whatever evil he perceives. And the whole US culture, speech about gun, gives him the justification to use his gun for that purpose.
When an insane USian feels threatens by foreigners, it is his right, if not his duty to fight for what he believes in. And that include shooting those he thinks wronged him.

In the Swiss mind, guns are not perceived as tools for your safety or your freedom. They are just tools for sport, for fun, to be used with care and responsibly.
This means even an insane Swiss is not tempted and is never justified to use them when he feels himself or his rights threaten.

The US need to stop the unconscious message of guns being the ultimate tools to protect their life and freedom. It is a very dangerous message to send to insane people.

[Kidlicious]

That is not backed up by the data dry. Second Amendment rights advocates do not murder people.

[Dry]

My point is tt's in the perception of what constitute murder and what constitute rightful self-defence. If you are not mentally stable, those two concepts might be fuzzy. If the society message has been that guns are the best tools for self-defence (and are perfectly accepted as such by the general consensus), then someone who has difficulties to differentiate between murder and self-defence will be perfectly ok to use them in what he perceives as self-defence.
Stop thinking of guns as the number one tool for self-defence or defence of rights. Some minds are not able to manage that.

[Kidlicious]

My point is tt's in the perception of what constitute murder and what constitute rightful self-defence. If you are not mentally stable, those two concepts might be fuzzy. If the society message has been that guns are the best tools for self-defence (and are perfectly accepted as such by the general consensus), then someone who has difficulties to differentiate between murder and self-defence will be perfectly ok to use them in what he perceives as self-defence.
Stop thinking of guns as the number one tool for self-defence or defence of rights. Some minds are not able to manage that.

Not sure. Most of them didn't grow up with a good father in the home. Maybe it's Hollywood. I don't think it's their peers. Teenagers don't talk a lot about self-defense, but maybe.

[Kidlicious]

The Dayton shooter was against legal gun ownership. I don't know about others.