So Dererys is the USA

[Lorizael]

Over the past 16 years, sometimes regularly and sometimes not, I've been on Lexapro, Cymbalta, Paxil, Effexor, and Zoloft (along with some non-SSRI/SNRI antidepressants). The only side effect that's been significant enough for me to remember has been the sexual dysfunction, which I've had with all of them. (And I experience nasty brain zaps when I come off them.) Other people have other side effects: weight gain, dry mouth, nausea, etc. Otherwise, SSRIs are extremely tolerable and safe (especially compared to older classes of antidepressants--MAOIs and tricyclics).

[Bereta_Eder]

First I want to thank you for your candid and biomatic (in the sense that you have expereicned/lived it) account of what is/was like on SSRIs'
Also, elok you misunderstood me, that's exactly what I was saying. SSRIs blindly shortcircuit the receptors, hence seratonin is not absorbed back (the way it should have been) and it stays stagnant there increasing in volume artificially.
I want to trend carefully and be considering and empathetic seeing as you were so altruistrically honest.

I stand by my opinion however I'm glad SSRIS seem to work for you, or you are accepting of what is going/went on when you're on them.
There are many different opinions not at all confined to tom cruise and anti-psychiatry "experts" but standing on sound new scientific discoveries conserning SSRIs but I won't go through them because I sense that can cause more harm than good

[Bereta_Eder]

I have drunk a few beers. I might be edgy.
But believe when I tell you I'm writing everything here with good, good intentions.
Your candor moved me. Even elok's who was a bit dramatic, classic for a writer (havent yet read your book but I will. meanwhile dig these https://www.amazon.com/Power-Name-Pr.../dp/B00KQOELUK https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orthodox-Wa.../dp/0913836583)

I am in a position of not giving a ****. A bit like nicolas cageon leaving las vegas

However I'm positive I can overcome it.

I once was prescribed a drug. Not sure what it was. To fight depression. I never ever thought about commiting suicide. Never.. I don't now either and I don't give a **** generally. Some days after taking that drug I did start to think that I have something like... a duty... to take my own life. Weird, weird stuff. My brain had started working differently. I quit, I bought a bottle fo vodka and I set on being with a girl I liked very much at that time.

Was it healthy? no

but it kept me alive

[Bereta_Eder]

Let's be honest psychiatry has one goal

(btw you do know it means soul medecin. psyche=soul iatriki=medecinal practise)

the goal is to keep you functional. it has no epicurial morality (or absence of)

I am functional, hence I am ok. Happiness is not required.

[Bereta_Eder]

Also I'd liek to add something else too (I make repeatred posts but I am drunk)

Elok mentioned that alcohol produces a lot of personal and social ills (non of which I have experienced except an escape of reality and crushing tiredness, oh yeah and bad posts) and SSRIs are so benign. And then he goes on stating that the alcohol ban in the US (it is also forbiden in some other states) was somehow proof of its malevolence instead of proof of conservatism.

Another substance that allegendly is benign but is forbiden? Marihuana. It doesn't get you drunk but it oh just might cause severe psychosis and make you lose your damn life. (by doing nothing)
It is illegal. And alcohol is not. And SSRIs are not.

Anyway to make a long story short, you ever read the meaning of life about people living in nazi concentration camps?

The point is to have goals. What do you need.

I liked Lorizael's point of fact delivery. SImjple, unpretentious, straight to the point. Destined exacly to help me.

I also liked elok's point of reference. Under prozac I met my wife. The goal (if it's important to you).



Anyway thank you. I don't know what I'm going to do

[Lorizael]

the goal is to keep you functional.

Sometimes functional is the best you can hope for. When I was younger, I had romantic notions of being a crazy depressed genius writer, my happiness be damned. But that was a fairy tale, and thinking I could be great when I couldn't even be decent hurt me and those around me. Functional is a much better place to start from.

[Elok]

No psychoactive drug is going to permanently fix your life problems--neither the brain nor life works that way. If used carefully and responsibly, some chemicals can set the base conditions of stability necessary for you to fix them yourself, or at least make the attempt; I had enough success that I solved the underlying problem (crippling loneliness and a lack of a reason to live) and set aside the med with no adverse long-term consequences I can detect. Lori hasn't gotten that far, but he's made significant progress, and he's certainly happier on the meds than he would be if he attempted to self-medicate with alcohol. The depressed-writer trope is misleading; depressed people have no motivation, and unmotivated people don't write. And drunk people produce a lot of typos when they try.

I'm sorry your experience with antidepressants didn't work out well, but it's possible you were using a crude older drug; earlier, you made reference to some benzodiazepene I'd never heard of and had to look up to make sure it was a benzo. Seems to have been one of the older ones from the Seventies. Anyway, plenty of people function quite well on antidepressants, and as a general rule later drugs have a more refined action than older ones--like the way Zyrtec doesn't have the powerful sedative effects of Benadryl.

Prohibition wound up being repealed, but it didn't come out of nowhere. It is HARD to get a constitutional amendment passed, but we got the majority of America's states to agree to ban liquor. That happened for a reason. Prior to prohibition, America's drinking culture was really quite horrifying, the kind we associate with Russia today. The attendant social problems were out of control; fathers drinking their paychecks and letting their kids go hungry was no joke, straight-up, a thing that happened with some frequency. Banning it, as we all know, caused different problems, but it did have the salutary effect of dramatically reducing our alcohol consumption for a while, and when prohibition ended our drinking did not go back up to previous levels. Nowadays we have opiates instead, but Prohibition is probably the reason why we're less alkie than, say, the Brits.

I have read The Orthodox Way, thanks! I've seen Metropolitan Kallistos speak in person as well; he has a very pleasant, soothing voice, and is quite personable.

[Bereta_Eder]

Bromadiazepam is the current anti-anxiety drug a more benign form of xanax and is widely and easily prescribed from the atlantic to the uralians.
I'm pretty sure it didn't exist in the seventies but the wiki you probably went to look for help said that it was in the same family as valium which was from the seventies. So is xanax and they are far from similar.
Anyway thanks for just blurting out that SSRIs (and yes thanks Greece is up to par and probaby even further along the medicinal wheel than the US - albeit we tend to not rely on them so much) are "better than alcohol"

Just banalities my God.

Anyway I guess thanks.

And really thanks Lori

[Bereta_Eder]

What I'm trying to say is that while I sympathise with the plight of the US or scandinavia or russia from alcohol, it's not something that has really any bearing on me.
I also don't suffer from any ill effects if work or relationships are to be counted on. I have consistently had good jobs rom the moment I started wporking and kept relationships as far as 7 years.
I don't want to be a great writer or be depressed but alcohol seems to render me a better both writer and orator and having great ease with women (although that can happen without alcohol).
You don't seem to udnerstand alcohol is my anti-anxiety drug and my get away drug when I'm bored or tired or scared to face reality.
I know I'm both a great writer and great speaker, these thigns have been proven. I don;t rely on alcohol for this. I rely on alcohol for relaxation.
And I keep thinking that SSRIs change dramatically one's mind have dire ill effects and will be regarded oiin the future like old lobotomies in the amount of crudeness they perfom their function.
WHich if it works for you I'm glad and it's ok.

[Bereta_Eder]

Also

Sometimes functional is the best you can hope for. .

this seems like a very optimistic and relaxing quote


What I meant though was the psychiatry's goal is utilitarian.
From the point on that you can sustain functionality on your own it is reddudnant. And I certaintly won't give my chance at hapiness to a drug (yes I grasp the irony)

[Bereta_Eder]

I don;t want to use an SSRI (even a modern one because now that I think about it elok, I think you might have been right about the technology of the drug I was subscribed. It wasn't bromazepam though) when hope will do the trick. Meanwhile I drink

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I haven't yet read those books elok. A collegue of mine proposed them to me and I respect him very much so I might

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW that ****ing wh*re of an ex wanted me to drink. She was stupid. And I left her when I quit drinking and the fog lifted

[Bereta_Eder]

I mean really. When modern society's and all its tools only goal is to keep you functional (keep building those pyramids slave) then happiness is really up to you. I mean the constituion writes something about freedom to pursue personal happiness I think the american constitution writes something similar,
Anyway I think we can safely establish that constant functionality is assured (more or less). In the path ahead would a change of clutch type help? Remains to be seen. And I might have sounded aphoristical but rest assured that what you both have said has soaked my subconscious and will be working

[Bereta_Eder]

Although I assure you, that sense of "duty" I spoke about before.. is defintely not something I want to re-live