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When you owe the bank a million dollars, that is your problem. When you owe the bank a billion dollars, that’s the bank’s problem.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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wezil you are canadian? if so you're as frecked as some americans here. insensitive and cleuless. it's always nice learning about other countries. What dinner said is wrong. Germany did not agree, and did not want that. The EU agreed.Comment
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What that amounts to is debt relief, something that had been on the forefront of new greek politics for 3 years. Tsipras was elected PM with that goal in mind and he delivered. That's why he's one of the best PMs this country has. About who's to blame. that's a long talk to be had. What will certaintly not constitute the basis of this conversation is some guy pointing fingers to a people that has went threough a lot and hauntily accuse them of being their fault. Do you also have ******s in canada?Comment
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Yeah, the EU but it was almost exclusively Germany's decision because they are the ones who gave Greece emergency loans and who holds most of Greece's bad debts. Anyway, there was no write down on principle and basically the debt repayment schedule was just stretched out. That does mean each installment payment is smaller in size but the total amount of debt is still increasing.Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View PostTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Nice.Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Post"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Greece is a cautionary tale to everyone but Greeks apparently."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Greece's debt is a contract. There are repayment terms and in case, Greece cannot repay, there are penalty terms. Sometimes borrowers cannot repay their debts. It happens and is part of the risk agreed to by the lenders. Of course, the penalties are limited by the fact that Greece is a sovereign country and cannot be compelled to do what it's people do not agree to short of war. So, now we are seeing the negotiations between parties. The EU and its other member nations are obligated to drive the best deal they can for their constituents. If there is pain on the Greek side, there is also pain on the other side. True unity requires shared pain.
Complaining about bankers and EU leaders is just a tactic to dehumanize the lenders. Despite what some might like to believe, the money is not just created by fiat. For Greece to borrow money, someone else had to save money. In large part, those savers are the pensioners in the other countries of the EU (or at least the funds that are being used to pay those pensioners), especially Germany. Thinking that it is justified to save your pensioners by screwing over other country's pensioners is just not right.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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how did Greece get so in debt?Comment
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Successive governments doing their budget like a 16 year old with a credit card.Originally posted by Berzerker View PostI am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!Comment
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Continuous and sustained bad governance.Originally posted by Berzerker View PostTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Don’t forget a good bit of tax evasion. And there was an external economic shock to bring things to a head.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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Why doesn't England pay it off, as rent on the Elgin Marbles?There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.Comment
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Greece could try pushing that as part of the Brexit deal!“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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The referance to "******s" was not done by chance. It is widely known and understood that the US is a very racist country. One of the tolls (in the past) to perpetuate class and racial differences was to blame the victim. Blame the ******, if you will. That sort of blaming was what you did that's why I asked if you have ******s in canada. This blame game is so infantile that no person worth his salt would fall for that. It is the door to have them whip you and think it's your fault. That's infantile. It is believed by those so much entrenched in money grabbing and living in such an authoritative culture that they always gain joy from the suffering of others because their own life is so wrched. Like in america, and in canada it would seem. Now about what dinner said, he is wring because a) germany said it did not want that entering the meeting, it exited having accepted it. And, it does constitute a debt reducation EXACTLY as Tsipras promised. It's a method of doing that, Pchang, is as clueless as always trying to get the moral high ground between pensioners
It's like saying the 99% steals from the 1% (well proportionally). There is no moral high ground it is laughable. I will agree on the mishandling of finances but there is much discussion to be had there also, and noone mentioned the structural weaknesses of the euro as a cause,l which is why half the eurozone is in trouble. As for dinner, his judgement is purely racist and thus rendered irrelevent. To him Greeks
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