Is it a boy or a girl?

[Proteus_MST]

That's up to him/her to decide, when s/he is older

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386

First baby which (according to his/her parents wishes) gets "gender undetermined" in his/her birth certificate

[Lorizael]

I'm totally fine with this and wish that we, as a society, would stop thinking of the sex/gender of a person as the defining characteristic of identity. But...

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name withoutcapital letters...

...is just monstrous.

[Dinner]

The parebts have a right to be as screwed up as they want with themselves but I draw the line at abusing a child. Child protective services needs to step in and the parents need to have the child removed from their custody if they refuse to stop abusing it.

[Uncle Sparky]

What if they refused to list the babies race? ... or religion?

[giblets]

Unless the child is intersex I don't see why official documentation should be doing this.

[Elok]

. . . the entry is for biological sex, not gender. Have we gotten to the point where biological sex is supposed to be subjective?

[giblets]

Yes.

[Lorizael]

Biological sex is not subjective, but (a) why do we care so much about it (outside of medical scenarios) and (b) the tests we perform at birth to confirm the sex of the infant are good but not perfect.

[Bereta_Eder]

english made frankesteins


canada, US australia


everyone likes to piss on them nobody likes them


but the cure steams from within their bastard homicidal guts

as a canadian professor said, gender is not societally determined and, gasp, hierarchy serves a pruprose


as relevent as crabs going up and down a rock in the sea


you like the sea, not the crab

[Proteus_MST]

. . . the entry is for biological sex, not gender. Have we gotten to the point where biological sex is supposed to be subjective?

It surely will get interesting when they get(s) to school.
Especially when it comes to the use of dressing rooms and bathrooms.

Which bathroom/dressing room does someone with the sex U use?
It would be a nice counter to the toilet-bills that are present in certain states of the USA (which IIRC explicitely mention the sex that is entered into the birth certificate)

[Bereta_Eder]

Noboody cares about that except some internet nerds.

The kid will be a subject of extreme bulllying nomatter if he's going to school in beverly hills or bogota.

[Bereta_Eder]

Also you ca't dictate people anything.

Sex is biologically defined. Period. That's 99% societally approved.

If you want to debate the 1% you run into freedom of speech issues

[Proteus_MST]

Also you ca't dictate people anything.

Sex is biologically defined. Period. That's 99% societally approved.

If you want to debate the 1% you run into freedom of speech issues

In a biological sense (with the exception of intersexes), of course correct.

On the other hand there is always the case of transgenders, who feel as members of the other sex and herefore also don't feel at home with the societal roles that usually get connected to the biogical sexes. (actually the parent of the baby (who wannts the sex etered as U) is herself a transgender ... but one of the non binary kind, meaning she doesnt feel she belongs to either gender).

[Bereta_Eder]

when my cousine gave birth and I went to the gift store of the birth clinic everything was either blue or pink.

I have a feeling a parent is committing child abuse if he wants to push neither on the kid. Especially because of his/her own private reasons

[Jon Miller]

We don't like to press pink on our girl, but a lot of the girl clothes are pink.

I like yellow better, but honestly we got her a lot of 'boys' clothes. And strangely, the 'boys' clothes seemed to be better quality....

JM
(I was going to answer 'girl')