Study finds the white voters were more likely to vote for Trump because of the Culture War, not economic hardship.

[rah]

I must admit that the teletubbie avatar is really appropriate for his imaginary rants.

[giblets]

The Left actually wants to turn our sovereignty over to the UN.

Could you cite some examples of people on the left advocating this?

[Jon Miller]

For people like kid, which unfortunately includes many of my family members, Obama and Hillary are the ultimate boogiemen involved in unlimited self-contradictory actions opposed to everything they image as being good or right.

JM

[Aeson]

I am shocked that the xenophobic "America First" alt-right candidate got support from white nationalist and xenophobic voters! Shocked I say!

[Kidlicious]

I am shocked that the xenophobic "America First" alt-right candidate got support from white nationalist and xenophobic voters! Shocked I say!

The Left knows that muslims aren't going to assimilate. They don't want them to. Pro just admitted it.

[Kidlicious]

Could you cite some examples of people on the left advocating this?

When you call people Nazi because they don't want to allow people to immigrate who hate your country and your culture, and believe that their god told them not to obey your laws, then you want to turn the sovereignty of your nation over to the global institution which is run by those people.

[Kidlicious]

For people like kid, which unfortunately includes many of my family members, Obama and Hillary are the ultimate boogiemen involved in unlimited self-contradictory actions opposed to everything they image as being good or right.

JM

Obama actually has ideals. He hates America and thinks the world will be saved if he can just stop people from watching Fox News, or at least convince a majority of people that whoever watches Fox News is a Nazi.

Hillary just has no principles at all. She doesn't even hate men. She just has no decency at all. And she is very driven to obtain power.

But no, I don't call them Nazi like Aeson just called Americans.

[Proteus_MST]

The Left knows that muslims aren't going to assimilate. They don't want them to. Pro just admitted it.

Of couse ... I (and I guess he majority of the left) want them to integrate into the society.
But we don't demand their assimilation (as giving up their cultural heritage) as long as their cultural customs don't collide with the laws/values of our country
(examples of a No-Go would be (here in germany) honor killings, forced mariages or inciting people to violence/terrorism)

[Kidlicious]

Of couse ... I (and I guess he majority of the left) want them to integrate into the society.
But we don't demand their assimilation (as giving up their cultural heritage) as long as their cultural customs don't collide with the laws/values of our country
(examples of a No-Go would be (here in germany) honor killings, forced mariages or inciting people to violence/terrorism)

Mushy mouth. They aren't assimilating, and that has consequences. That's why people who care about their own country don't want masses of people to immigrate to their country who are going to cause mistrust and division within society.

[Kidlicious]

Frankly Pro, I've seen pictures of muslims walking down the streets in European cities with ISIS flags and no one even gives a damn. Those people are conditioned. And they hate anyone like me who says "wtf! Let's stop bringing these people into our country!"

That's the division that I'm talking about. Here in the US we have antifa attacking people with physical violence. We have SJWs who have been pissing themselves for about 6 months and with have black people who like CNN and MSNBC killing people because they are white. And you think it's OK to bring muslims into all this **** after they flew airplanes into the Twin Towers?! WTF?!

[Kidlicious]

And none of you actually give two cents for muslims, just like you don't give two cents for Comey, but when you see an opportunity to accuse conservatives of something you jump on it.

[Proteus_MST]

Frankly Pro, I've seen pictures of muslims walking down the streets in European cities with ISIS flags and no one even gives a damn. Those people are conditioned. And they hate anyone like me who says "wtf! Let's stop bringing these people into our country!"

Well, here in germany displaying the IS flag is as forbidden as showing the NAZI Swastika (because IS has been declared a terrorist organization and therefore displaying the flag is frbidden according to the law about displaying signs of unconstitutional organizations)
Doesn't mean of course that there aren't some dumbasses tht try t display it (and therefore even in germany photos may be taken from people displaying the IS flag ... usually before it is disovered by police and taken down)

That's the division that I'm talking about. Here in the US we have antifa attacking people with physical violence. We have SJWs who have been pissing themselves for about 6 months and with have black people who like CNN and MSNBC killing people because they are white. And you think it's OK to bring muslims into all this **** after they flew airplanes into the Twin Towers?! WTF?!

Well, if you bring 9/11 into play.
The funny thing is that Trump isn't opposed to muslims entering the country as long as they come from those countries, where those terrorits from 9/11 came from.
Remember that Trumps muslim ban explicitely excludes Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, those 2 countries where the majority of 9/11 terrorists came from, wwhereas all countries included in the muslim ban didn't have anything to do with 9/11 (or AFAIK any other terrorist attacks in the USA)

[Kidlicious]

Well, here in germany displaying the IS flag is as forbidden as showing the NAZI Swastika (because IS has been declared a terrorist organization and therefore displaying the flag is frbidden according to the law about displaying signs of unconstitutional organizations)
Doesn't mean of course that there aren't some dumbasses tht try t display it (and therefore even in germany photos may be taken from people displaying the IS flag ... usually before it is disovered by police and taken down)

We don't hate such laws here in the US and we don't want them because we prefer freedom and don't trust government.

But the thing about laws like that is they aren't ever applied equally across the board. We already see that with this effort to prevent fake news on social media (which is being driven by Europeans and Chinese governments) that only minority fake news is prevented. IOW you can't prevent any leftist or Muslim fake news or hate speech or the left will call you Nazi islamophobic. But you still try to block right wing news and what the left calls hate speech.

Well, if you bring 9/11 into play.
The funny thing is that Trump isn't opposed to muslims entering the country as long as they come from those countries, where those terrorits from 9/11 came from.
Remember that Trumps muslim ban explicitely excludes Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, those 2 countries where the majority of 9/11 terrorists came from, wwhereas all countries included in the muslim ban didn't have anything to do with 9/11 (or AFAIK any other terrorist attacks in the USA)

Doesn't really matter. What matters is that you actually have a nation. That is that the super majority actually cares that America is a sovereign nation. That's what 9-11 was all about. I didn't know what purpose they would have to do that because the US will just declare war on them, but now I see what division there is as a result and how someone like Obama can be elected as a result of that division and 9-11.

Now you have the people on one side who primarily want US sovereignty, national unity, and safety on one side. And on the other side you have the people who think that the muslims did that because of the right, and they will use any means necessary to destroy the right so that the muslims won't commit terrorism.

[Kidlicious]

The Saudi government is friendly to the US and can be relied on to help us keep potential terrorists out. Don't confuse the govt there with the jihadists.

[Proteus_MST]

The Saudi government is friendly to the US and can be relied on to help us keep potential terrorists out. Don't confuse the govt there with the jihadists.

Doesn't matter. Those terrorists didn't come from the government, but rathr were citizens of Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi government was friendly to the US already long before 2001. Didn't prevent the terrorists to be deceived and trained by Osama bin Laden and then travel to the US in order to commit terrorist acts.
And speaking of Osama bin Laden ... even he was seen as friendly to the US (when Afghanistan still was soviet territory), was educated/trained by the CIA in terrorist tactics and equipped with US made weapons and other supplies, in order to wage a terrorist war against the soviet union

Back to Saudi Arabia:

While Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia arguably remains the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.^[96]

Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds and promoter of Salafist jihadism,^[97] which forms the ideological basis of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS and others. Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide, according to Hillary Clinton.^[98] According to a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups."
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Former CIA director James Woolsey described it as "the soil in which Al-Qaeda and its sister terrorist organizations are flourishing."^[116] In 2015, Sigmar Gabriel, Vice-Chancellor of Germany, accused Saudi Arabia of supporting intolerance and extremism, saying: "Wahhabi mosques are financed all over the world by Saudi Arabia. In Germany, many dangerous Islamists come from these communities."^[117][118] In May 2016, The New York Times editorialised that the kingdom allied to the U.S. had "spent untold millions promoting Wahhabism, the radical form of Sunni Islam that inspired the 9/11 hijackers and that now inflames the Islamic State".^[119]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-...m#Saudi_Arabia

I don't think that of any of the countries on the muslim travel ban list it can be said the same as about Saudi Arabia and Quatar, when it comes to state sponsored terrorism