Fox News Strikes Back

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While I agree 100% with your premise, in all fairness, Kid didn't start this particular thread.

[Pekka]

This has so many good points, I feel the urge the intervene:

So, say Russian affiliated groups hacked the emails. 1) they probably got president's emails as well. Might be useful later, 2) most likely a message (we know all you know, don't push), 3) let's throw this bit out and see what happens as a social experiment.

and fourthly, this is exactly what information warfare is about. You divide groups, make them argue, make all sides lose their trust to the government, flourish conspiracy theories, attack those who actually do know and investigate, and watch the thing weaken slowly but surely. It is a very economic thing to do, costs practically nothing and you get to choose the seeds you support to get the result you want. Just confuse the crap out of everyone. Nothing is worse than confusion. Who done it is a sexy question and people cannot stop arguing about it. But what does it matter? It was done.

Is Russia "going to pay"? of course not. And even if it was someone else, so what? Russia will take the blame anyway, and in this twisted show, they are supported by the neocons. To be more Machiavellian about it, who benefits? Who benefits from declining West? Europe is falling apart from the inside out, US is not yet at that stage but is having some really interesting social developments. No need for traditional weapons. Not a single shot fired.

I have to marvel. The show is good. The outcome is unknown, hopefully it's good, but I doubt it.

Also Tucker had one (but no more) good point; How do you know if the emails were real and not written by someone else? You can't. All the emails could be fake. I imagine a group of creative hackers making this story, including pizzagate, with a good story writer. Laughing their butts off.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Tucker is a douchebag throwing up strawmen. It's not surprising Kid falls for it ... but OFITG should know better.

Against this guy? Private server OK, but the Russians!



It's fully deserved, besides the point it's also entertaining.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

How can you watch only 10 seconds of an 8-minute video and decide it's worth starting a thread over?
And how can you know that, in your words, "This was pretty cool. "

BTW, Tucker Carlson is a pathetic partisan hack, and isn't even very good at it. This video is ample evidence of that.

Hey, that was me, and that was pretty cool.

Unless you think I am Kid, and for that one

[Kidlicious]

This has so many good points, I feel the urge the intervene:

So, say Russian affiliated groups hacked the emails. 1) they probably got president's emails as well. Might be useful later, 2) most likely a message (we know all you know, don't push), 3) let's throw this bit out and see what happens as a social experiment.

and fourthly, this is exactly what information warfare is about. You divide groups, make them argue, make all sides lose their trust to the government, flourish conspiracy theories, attack those who actually do know and investigate, and watch the thing weaken slowly but surely. It is a very economic thing to do, costs practically nothing and you get to choose the seeds you support to get the result you want. Just confuse the crap out of everyone. Nothing is worse than confusion. Who done it is a sexy question and people cannot stop arguing about it. But what does it matter? It was done.

Is Russia "going to pay"? of course not. And even if it was someone else, so what? Russia will take the blame anyway, and in this twisted show, they are supported by the neocons. To be more Machiavellian about it, who benefits? Who benefits from declining West? Europe is falling apart from the inside out, US is not yet at that stage but is having some really interesting social developments. No need for traditional weapons. Not a single shot fired.

I have to marvel. The show is good. The outcome is unknown, hopefully it's good, but I doubt it.

Also Tucker had one (but no more) good point; How do you know if the emails were real and not written by someone else? You can't. All the emails could be fake. I imagine a group of creative hackers making this story, including pizzagate, with a good story writer. Laughing their butts off.

Obama used a fake name which is weird. Did he know something? Either way he didn't make his email vulnerable.

[-Jrabbit]

Hey, that was me, and that was pretty cool.

Unless you think I am Kid, and for that one

My bad, OFITG. My objection was to evaluating an 8-minute video based on a 10-second viewing - which is what Kid said he did.

Presumably, you actually watched it before starting a thread about it.

[Aeson]

Against this guy? Private server OK, but the Russians!

Chris Wallace is a good newscaster. Schiff (and basically any politician) is obviously partisan.

Tucker is a douchebag and was throwing up strawmen in the OP video. You and Kid picked up on one of the strawmen. The letter to the administration was not an instance of "shoot the messenger" ... it was a bipartisan letter from the Intelligence Committee.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

My bad, OFITG. My objection was to evaluating an 8-minute video based on a 10-second viewing - which is what Kid said he did.

Presumably, you actually watched it before starting a thread about it.

I did, it was fun - that was the reason for posting. I guess if you are from the US and hate Fox, it is harder to accept it as a form of entertainment.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Chris Wallace is a good newscaster. Schiff (and basically any politician) is obviously partisan.

Tucker is a douchebag and was throwing up strawmen in the OP video. You and Kid picked up on one of the strawmen. The letter to the administration was not an instance of "shoot the messenger" ... it was a bipartisan letter from the Intelligence Committee.

Sure it was. They were "strawmanning" each other.

Even though Schiff did go one better half way though: "Are you are an agent of Putin?"

[Aeson]

... and if someone had seriously claimed Tucker was an agent of Putin in response I would say they fell for Schiff's strawman.

[PLATO]

CNN was good during the initial Gulf War.
Wolf Blitzer was outstanding.

I was riveted to the TV! First "live" war. Blitzer was awesome and Bernard Shaw was simply amazing.

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It would be fun to rewatch those reports through today's eyeglasses.