Oh dear, the kids are fascist . . .

[Elok]

http://journalofdemocracy.org/sites/default/files/Foa%26Mounk-27-3.pdf

TLDR: millennials are kind of lukewarm on this whole democracy thing. In 2011, for example, 24% of Americans born after 1980 thought democracy was a bad way to run their country. Only 32% think protection of civil rights is absolutely essential for a democracy. 26% think it's unimportant that people choose their leaders in free elections. Etc.

[ZEE]

There is no human on the planet as nerdy as Elok.

[Aeson]

The good thing is none of them vote until they decide democracy is important.

[MJW]

I'd guess it's because without Nationalism binding people together people's viewpoints tend to diverge. We've reached a point that most people want someone else in charge. If it was just that it wouldn't be so bad but they really don't get any real representation. I don't need to explain first-past-the-post and for "proportional" the need to for a government to form is a de facto second election where there can only be one winner (expect for that weird Danish system where a center right or left party is allowed to run the country without getting to 50%).

[kentonio]

Expect to see more of it, the further we get from the WW2 generation. Authoritarian forms of government tend to be pretty attractive to a lot of people.

[The Mad Monk]

There is no human on the planet as nerdy as Elok.

Surely you jest.

[Lorizael]

I've said this before, but I'm not necessarily a fan of democracy. Consent of the governed is key, but that doesn't mean the collective decision of the governed is always the best one for the governed. To be a little less vague, everyone should absolutely get to choose the society they want to live in, but there's nothing wrong with people choosing to live in a society where only scientists (or lawyers, or AIs, or reality TV show hosts) make the decisions. As long as everyone retains the right to rescind their consent, there's nothing in principle tyrannical about such a society. (There may be in practice, but in practice democracy can be tyrannical as well.)

[kentonio]

I tend to agree with you Lori.

[Giancarlo]

http://journalofdemocracy.org/sites/...Mounk-27-3.pdf

TLDR: millennials are kind of lukewarm on this whole democracy thing. In 2011, for example, 24% of Americans born after 1980 thought democracy was a bad way to run their country. Only 32% think protection of civil rights is absolutely essential for a democracy. 26% think it's unimportant that people choose their leaders in free elections. Etc.

Luckily a majority think otherwise. I try to look at things in the best light possible. Most young people are for civil rights... they just need to be more engaged imho.

[pchang]

OzzyKP would be spinning in his dotage.

[Dauphin]

Democracy should be replaced with Demarchy representatives with a five year term and annual refreshes of 20% of the representatives.

[onodera]

OzzyKP would be spinning in his dotage.

What's happened to him, btw? Logan's Run?

[BlackCat]

I've said this before, but I'm not necessarily a fan of democracy. Consent of the governed is key, but that doesn't mean the collective decision of the governed is always the best one for the governed. To be a little less vague, everyone should absolutely get to choose the society they want to live in, but there's nothing wrong with people choosing to live in a society where only scientists (or lawyers, or AIs, or reality TV show hosts) make the decisions. As long as everyone retains the right to rescind their consent, there's nothing in principle tyrannical about such a society. (There may be in practice, but in practice democracy can be tyrannical as well.)

Thats pure BS

Real democracy is that people vote on the parties with the right opinions because all the other parties are undemocratic. What is correct of course change depending on wich party winls

[Aeson]

Lori's system is still democratic. (And with amendments we already have such a system.)

[pchang]

Not exactly. Lori would allow free secession and I don't know of any system that allows that.