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  • #31
    I'll settle for going after her for being a lying scumbag. There's plenty of evidence to support that.
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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    • #32
      I don't deny it for a second, sir.
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      • #33
        This explanation from a random IT guy sums up what I've always thought actually happened:

        I was going to say something about the issue with Hillary Clinton using an email server provided by her own staff for some of her email traffic, rather than one provided by her employer, but @LaneW…


        So, I guarantee this is exactly how the email server thing went down.

        Whatever internal system the government has set up for email communication is, I guarantee, a total and utter ****show.

        ****show as in horrid UI, horrid performance, and just in general unusable. Most business email environments are. Government worse.

        Clinton probably complains about this, someone on staff looks into fixing it, someone somewhere thinks “Hey, we could just build a server”

        Given that it’s absurdly easy to build an environment to host an email server, a request gets made and some IT guy somewhere says it’s fine

        So a server gets built, Clinton uses it, and the whole thing gets overlooked because someone way down the chain doesn’t vette it out

        And given the sheer scale of systems the federal government uses, no one audits what systems are running and where

        And if you’re Clinton or her staff, you’re thinking if IT signed off on it, it complies with all needed regulations

        So where it -should- have been nixed was that federal IT level, where a network specialist sees the request and says “Nope, can’t do it.”

        But because it didn’t get nixed there, no one any further up the chain should have any reason to think it’s insecure and against the rules

        Here’s the dirty IT secret: This crap happens all the time. Someone at the IT level should know better and deny the request, and that’s it.

        And the reason this happened is likely because building a separate environment probably saved a few days work optimizing the existing one

        So when Comey says there was no intent to break the law, I totally buy it. Compliance often breaks due to badly optimized systems/processes

        Coming from the IT side, I don’t expect mid/upper management to get ANY of these nuances, nor would I find value in explaining it all

        So it’s totally reasonable for a manager to assume that if I sign off and build it, I believe it complies with compliance regulations.

        Because, well, compliance adherence over IT systems is something -I- should be responsible for. Not a manager. Or Secretary of State.

        So the tl;dnr version is a complaint happened, someone put in a request to address the complaint, and IT dropped the ball on compliance.

        Yes in IT you want to be helpful and provide solutions, but you MUST know how to comply with IT regulations. That’s on you, not up the chain

        I’ve posited this to some friends who also work in IT, and each one of them agrees that this is likely what happened.

        Badly optimized legacy systems require a ton of work to fix, IT monkey looks for a shortcut, breaks compliance rules in the process.


        (Poor formatting because I think these were originally tweets.)
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        • #34
          Simple excuses.
          This doesn't happen in our company and we're generally incompetent.
          Our CIO tried to something similar and was shut down despite him being in charge of those that he told to do it.
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          • #35
            Would your company happen to be, as a rule, as incompetent as gubment on things like IT matters? That explanation strikes me as incredibly credible.

            She was too busy at the time still covering up the murder of Vince Foster and plotting to allow Bengazi to happen to have put much thought into this... (-That's sarcasm, folks, for anyone dumb enough to think I believe any of that except not having put any thought into it...)
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            • #36
              I'm not saying there's no wrongdoing. I'm saying the wrongdoing is an understandable consequence of bloated bureaucracy, confusing regulations, and ****ty leadership rather than some evil Clinton conspiracy to steal government secrets and cover up the truth.
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              • #37
                Exactly.

                She sucks, but the truth of her sucking is far, far more mundane than the haters keep making up...
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                • #38
                  Just as likely...

                  Hillary - I don't want the government to read or have copies of me email...
                  Aid - No problem, we will take care of it.
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                  • #39
                    I believe Oerdin suggested just that last page, and I don't disagree.
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                    • #40
                      I don't think anyone is accusing her of intent to give out government secrets. The FBI even agreed, begrudgingly.

                      We're accusing her of lying about it continually and particularly poor judgment. Two of her trade marks.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rah View Post
                        I don't think anyone is accusing her of intent to give out government secrets.
                        Read comments from hysterical Trumpeters.

                        We're accusing her of lying about it continually and particularly poor judgment. Two of her trade marks.
                        Well sure, but you're much too old to be less cynical than I am about how awful all politicians are.
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                        • #42
                          I am old enough to be disturbed about her supporters making excuses for her and not considering her just another awful politician.

                          Why did she keep lying about this?
                          CLINTON: "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material." News conference, March 2015.
                          CLINTON: "I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified." NBC interview, July 2016.
                          CLINTON: "I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work related" to the State Department. News conference, March 2015.
                          CLINTON: "I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for personal emails instead of two." News conference, March 2015.
                          or under the catagory, how does she know

                          CLINTON: "It was on property guarded by the Secret Service, and there were no security breaches. ... The use of that server, which started with my husband, certainly proved to be effective and secure." News conference, March 2015.
                          IF she had just owned it, this would have gone away years ago. But NOOOOOO.
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                          • #43
                            Who was it that originally coined the aphorism, "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence"?
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                            • #44
                              I believe what the RT is reporting, that witnesses testified that Hillary was too stupid to email with a computer. What I can't decide on is if she is actually that stupid or not. If she is that stupid then that's bad. If she isn't that stupid, then she just acted that stupid, or told people she was that stupid, because she wanted to get away with this. That's very, very bad.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Elok View Post
                                Who was it that originally coined the aphorism, "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence"?
                                I thought it was Occam's razor. **** up is more likely than conspiracy.
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