My father doesn't want too many white people in America.

[Kidlicious]

Oh Kid..

Saying that making crack illegal is Jim Crow is a logical fallacy you ******.

[kentonio]

Saying that making crack illegal is Jim Crow is a logical fallacy you ******.

Considering that you're the only person who has said that so far, I think you are correct.

[Kidlicious]

Considering that you're the only person who has said that so far, I think you are correct.

Sure bentonio

[loinburger]

Whatever, Mohammadicious

[Dry]

So my father is a liberal. [...]
Anyway, he said that we are fortunate that we have less white people than the UK does. [...]
Do you guys think European liberals have similar beliefs regarding Muslims and Christians?

This is quite confusing... How do you tie exactly religion with ethnicity?
According to http://www.pewforum.org/2011/12/19/g...stianity-exec/, European+American Xtians are 60% of the worlds Xtians. If you substract the north and south black Americans from this number, you hardly get a "white" religion.
And if Christianity is a white religion because of 50+% of white followers, then Islam is a asian religion (http://www.prb.org/Publications/Arti...on-growth.aspx) because of their 60% asian followers.

But whatever...

I have never heard of [reasonable] people, even leftists, thinking there are too many white people. And my guess is you misunderstood what he meant.
I might imagine that he liked the fact that the US white majority (54%) is smaller than the UK white majority (82%).
For a liberal (called a socialist in Europe), a more diverse society is more desirable than a society with a overwhelming majority. Whatever that majority is.

Now, European leftists don't like the US diversity because it keeps the different ethnicities separates. Black neighbourhoods, white neighbourhoods, Hispanic neighbourhoods. In European leftists eyes, this make the US in fact a non diverse society.
European leftists do not care so much about majority percentage, they dream of no "100% white" or "100% brown" school or neighbourhood.
The most authoritarian ones are ready to enforce diversity against people's will. I'd even say that's the difference between liberals and socialists: most liberals are not ready to sacrifice individual freedom for some political view, many socialists are.
And that's what francophone socialists tried to implement in my country: forbidding parents to chose the school of their children. In the name of diversity. Despite the backlash and all the catastrophic results, they are still convinced this is a good policy.

[Kidlicious]

Like many liberals he thinks white people are bigots, lazy etc... This is a common way of thinking.

I was asking about how Europeans think about Muslims because you get many Muslim immigrants.

[Kidlicious]

I should have been more specific. People are prejudice against rednecks. Liberals like my dad think they are high class.

If you like the comedian Bill Burr, he does a bit about if Einstein had a southern accent. It's hilarious.

[kentonio]

I was asking about how Europeans think about Muslims because you get many Muslim immigrants.

What about them? Some are nice, some are ****s, they're just people like anyone else.

[Kidlicious]

What about them? Some are nice, some are ****s, they're just people like anyone else.

Just asking because some people here glorify Mexican immigrants, and immigrants in general. I think Obama does. He wants a lot of immigrants. It's a political objective

[kentonio]

Just asking because some people here glorify Mexican immigrants, and immigrants in general. I think Obama does. He wants a lot of immigrants. It's a political objective

It's not about glorifying, its about protecting from xenophobic abuse.

[rah]

And don't forget they generally vote Dem.

[Kidlicious]

It's not about glorifying, its about protecting from xenophobic abuse.

There's a difference between rhetoric and truth. Obama's take on brexit is that you brit are xenophobic. Now republicans here tend to think it's about EU bueacracy. It's not about protecting immigrants. There isn't that much violence against immigrants. Most Americans like immigrants. It's just that Most of us don't want to have our country flooded with them, as Obama plans.

[Bereta_Eder]

European leftists do not care so much about majority percentage, they dream of no "100% white" or "100% brown" school or neighbourhood.
The most authoritarian ones are ready to enforce diversity against people's will. I'd even say that's the difference between liberals and socialists: most liberals are not ready to sacrifice individual freedom for some political view, many socialists are.
And that's what francophone socialists tried to implement in my country: forbidding parents to chose the school of their children. In the name of diversity. Despite the backlash and all the catastrophic results, they are still convinced this is a good policy.

well this of course is done so that ghettos are not created.
if you have a neighborhood with diversity is only natural that as the neighborhood is mixed so will be its schools.

having segregated schools produce fascists on one hand and ghetto'ed children on the other

Now there are some legitimate concerns, namely that the educational progress of the more indigenous children might be hampered by the children that are more recently here

And this is legitimate and could be addressed by introductory classes, sustain courses etc etc

of course the conservatives approache is : just get them to a private school.

that only concerns a limited, negligable fraction of the population though so it is a very limited solution

[kentonio]

There's a difference between rhetoric and truth. Obama's take on brexit is that you brit are xenophobic. Now republicans here tend to think it's about EU bueacracy. It's not about protecting immigrants. There isn't that much violence against immigrants. Most Americans like immigrants. It's just that Most of us don't want to have our country flooded with them, as Obama plans.

He's correct, there are a lot of xenophobic Brits, and quite a few racist ones too. You're fooling yourself if you think Obama wants to 'flood' America with immigrants though, you're a country made of immigrants who currently have tens of millions of immigrants feeding your economy.

[Kidlicious]

He's correct, there are a lot of xenophobic Brits, and quite a few racist ones too. You're fooling yourself if you think Obama wants to 'flood' America with immigrants though, you're a country made of immigrants who currently have tens of millions of immigrants feeding your economy.

You're a fool if you think allowing an unlimited number of them to immigrate will not be a strain on society and the economy. The thing that strikes me is he keeps talking about xenophobia as a problem, but he's doing everything possible to increase immigration. Are you intelligent enough to see that that's rhetoric, not truth?