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  • #61
    you may have heard about the heroin epidemic sweeping through parts of the US currently.
    -COckney

    There's less that 500,000 heroine users in the US. Compare that to marijuana (a more socially accepted drug) users at over 22 million, and to alcohol (a legal drug) users at 139 million. You want to talk epidemic? No you don't.
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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    • #62
      what is your point? if it's that legalising heroin would cause more people to use it, then you need to provide some evidence for that.

      The number of US heroin users has grown by nearly 300,000 over a decade, according to a new government report.

      During an NPR interview on Tuesday, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Tom Frieden said the epidemic was being driven by a "one-two punch":

      First, more Americans are using opiate painkillers like Vicodin or OxyContin. Research suggests that one of the reasons that abusing opiates can make people more susceptible to future heroin abuse is because the drugs act similarly in the brain. The new report found that people who abused opiate painkillers were 40 times as likely to abuse heroin.
      Second, heroin has become more widely available, and it's cheap. Frieden estimated that heroin costs about one-fifth as much as most prescription opioids.
      that's from last year. heroin usage exploded over the last decade, yet it's just as illegal now as it was then. it's clear that what drives demand are things like price and availability; legality doesn't seem to come into it.
      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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      • #63
        Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
        what is your point? if it's that legalising heroin would cause more people to use it, then you need to provide some evidence for that.
        What do you think I just did you ding-a-ling? We have a legal drug that 139m people use.
        that's from last year. heroin usage exploded over the last decade, yet it's just as illegal now as it was then. it's clear that what drives demand are things like price and availability; legality doesn't seem to come into it.
        I don't think you understand how legalizing a drug works. You have to lower the price to get people to buy it. They aren't going to pay more for it.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • #64
          no. you showed that more people use alcohol than heroin. that doesn't say anything about what effect legalisation would have on consumption. decriminalisation in portugal has actually resulted in a slight decrease in hard drug usage.

          I don't think you understand how legalizing a drug works.
          well one of us certainly doesn't.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • #65
            Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
            no. you showed that more people use alcohol than heroin. that doesn't say anything about what effect legalisation would have on consumption.
            Well you continue to show what an idiot you are.
            decriminalisation in portugal has actually resulted in a slight decrease in hard drug usage.
            Decriminalization is not legalization. It's still illegal to traffic drugs. In fact, Portugal's policy aims at decreasing both the supply of drugs (through criminalization of trafficking), and the demand for drugs (through improved treatment).

            well one of us certainly doesn't.
            You don't know anything about economics. It's no wonder that you have such absurd opinions about everything that is dependent on economics.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #66
              Portugal complemented its policy of decriminalisation by allocating greater resources across the drugs field, expanding and improving prevention, treatment, harm reduction and social reintegration programmes. The introduction of these measures coincided with an expansion of the Portuguese welfare state, which included a guaranteed minimum income.
              http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/drug-dec...ecord-straight

              So what happened was they dedicated more resources to prevention and treatment while at the same time decriminalizing usage. And there was no significant change in usage. I don't suppose that means anything to you though.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                Well you continue to show what an idiot you are.
                so no evidence to support your assertion, what a surprise

                You don't know anything about economics. It's no wonder that you have such absurd opinions about everything that is dependent on economics.


                i've provided clear evidence of people switching from legal drugs to an illegal one. in other words, evidence that illegality doesn't matter when it comes to usage. this kind of bull**** deflection won't work, i'm afraid.

                So what happened was they dedicated more resources to prevention and treatment while at the same time decriminalizing usage. And there was no significant change in usage. I don't suppose that means anything to you though.
                err...that backs up exactly what i've been saying.

                portugal is good evidence that more people won't use drugs if penalties for usage are removed, or, by analogy, if drugs are fully legalised. if prohibitionists want to argue the opposite, then they need to provide some evidence for that.
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                • #68
                  If you are waiting for Kid to produce actual evidence for most of his BS, you are in for a long wait.
                  He just makes crap up, and when people provide evidence proving him wrong, he just calls the person stupid.
                  Keep on Civin'
                  RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #69
                    They decreased the demand through prevention and treatment. You are the one who hasn't presented any evidence. Probably because you don't know what evidence is.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                      Probably because you don't know what evidence is.
                      You obviously don't since you rarely provide any
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                        They decreased the demand through prevention and treatment.
                        yes because those, unlikely legality, actually affect demand for illegal drugs. i'm glad you've come round to my way of thinking. it's always nice when a drug warrior becomes convinced of the drug war's futility.
                        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Ming View Post
                          You obviously don't since you rarely provide any
                          now be fair, he did provide some in this thread. it's just a shame, from his point of view, that that evidence directly contradicts his position.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                            yes because those, unlikely legality, actually affect demand for illegal drugs. i'm glad you've come round to my way of thinking. it's always nice when a drug warrior becomes convinced of the drug war's futility.
                            You haven't provided any evidence to support your assertion. In fact, ironically, you provided against it, because you are too stupid to know better.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #74
                              no sorry, saying 'no u!' doesn't work either.
                              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                              • #75
                                When it's all you got......................
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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